*** Monte Morris NBA Analysis/Assumptions ***
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Very similar college player as Tyler Ennis from Syracuse. 6-2 180 13/3/5.5 and 35% from 3. He was drafted high, 18th overall (probably because he was highly recruited and went to a powerhouse), and his line in his rookie season was 3/1/2 and 28% from 3.
I do think Ennis will get better. He was stuck behind a few other pgs in Phoenix, but now that he's more of the guy in Milwaukee, I can see his numbers taking a good jump next season.
I do think Ennis will get better. He was stuck behind a few other pgs in Phoenix, but now that he's more of the guy in Milwaukee, I can see his numbers taking a good jump next season.
I agree, but I do not think he will be ready. My Opinion of monte is that he is small, he will always be "small" for a pro point guard. If he has another great season where he bumps his stats up even more, then there is a huge posibility of him leaving for the NBA. But monte is a smart man, I gained a ton of respect for him when after last year he acknowledged that there was no way he was ready to guard the chris pauls of the world night in and night out. He is going to be a great player and I hope he has the best possible NBA career, but I truly feel it would benefit him greatly to go 4 years, and not be a Tyus Jones type (undersized, lots of intangibles, but will get bullied around in the NBA). I think he can still get stronger, and continue to develope that outside shot, and after 2 years would be idael.
But again, like its stated, if he has another big year it will be hard to turn down the NBA if teams are in your ear.
PS - would love to see him on the bulls with CFH
Nobody freak out that NCAA and NBA are different or that Hornacek and Monte are different players, but Hornacek has ISU's all time-point guard type records and is also #38 in steals all time in the NBA and #50 in assists all time in the NBA.
ISU Steals Record: Hornacek, 211
Monte if he simply continues last season's stats for two years with no improvement, 238
ISU Assists Record: Hornacek, 655
Monte if he simply continues last season's stats for two years with no improvement, 662
Then there's that he is easily the best in the entire NCAA in A/TO ratio in the 13 years they have officially kept the stat, shattering the record his freshman year and again leading the nation with huge separation his sophomore year.
The kid is a player, he's young and will get stronger, he is a very unique talent himself. A lot of the superstars we compare him to couldn't touch certain things he did his first two college seasons.
ISU Steals Record: Hornacek, 211
Monte if he simply continues last season's stats for two years with no improvement, 238
ISU Assists Record: Hornacek, 655
Monte if he simply continues last season's stats for two years with no improvement, 662
Then there's that he is easily the best in the entire NCAA in A/TO ratio in the 13 years they have officially kept the stat, shattering the record his freshman year and again leading the nation with huge separation his sophomore year.
The kid is a player, he's young and will get stronger, he is a very unique talent himself. A lot of the superstars we compare him to couldn't touch certain things he did his first two college seasons.
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Yet they are all in the league at the same time, and have the same size. How about these guys?
Monte is 6'2" 170
In order by usage (I've removed a few I know do not have the same build, such as Deron Williams or are just freak athletes, like Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, etc):
Isaiah Thomas (5'9" 185)
Brandon Jennings (6'1" 169)
Ish Smith (6'0" 175)
Schroder (6'1" 168)
Brandon Knight (6'3" 189...a lot bigger than MM)
Michael Conley (6'1" 175)
There are many more, and perhaps Conley is the best compare. Remembering Conley when he was at Ohio State, he was not a great shooter, but he was a scorer (like all others above). Monte's usage rate is way down for a PG. If he shows he can score more, he's gone...IMO.
Knowing Monte and his mother, whatever his stats and projections end up being, I'm sure he will make the right decision. Fred will also be a great resource.
This is why I think it's so ridiculous how many people think it's a foregone conclusion. There has never been anything out there has even had him sniffing the first round.
I think his stats are less important than his physical development. He needs to add some muscle and get up to a solid 180-185 pounds while maintains his quickness. His outside shot developed nicely last year and he needs to continue that trend.
Also, his assist to turnover ratio is fantastic but I think he needs to up his offensive aggressiveness, which may affect that statistic negatively but which will make him a much more "pro ready" player AND a better offensive weapon this season.
Also, his assist to turnover ratio is fantastic but I think he needs to up his offensive aggressiveness, which may affect that statistic negatively but which will make him a much more "pro ready" player AND a better offensive weapon this season.
Maybe...but usually unless a kid hates college or has academic issues he doesn't declare early unless there is a guaranteed contract (first round pick) waiting for him. Right now everything out there has Monte as a mid-late second round pick or not getting drafted at all, and people are acting like it's a no-brainer that he's gone...which is foolish.
he will decide whats best for him, not Iowa State as he should, he will make good money wherever he plays
If the team has the season that we're all hoping for, then yes I think he is in the 2016 draft class.
I never said he wouldn't..just said it's ridiculous for everyone to assume he's gone after next year.
Monte is one of the rare college point guards that plays (or has played) in a system where the coach doesn't limit what he can do. Fred would let Monte dictate the offense and the entire flow of the game (I'm sure Coach Prohm will be similar) and that is very important to NBA teams.
The NBA doesn't draft based on college teams success. They draft for physical talent with tons of upside.
There were players rated higher than Monte in his state coming out of HS even though he was Mr. Basketball because they had a lot more physical talent and upside.
It's similar to the Niang/Noel situation.
There were players rated higher than Monte in his state coming out of HS even though he was Mr. Basketball because they had a lot more physical talent and upside.
It's similar to the Niang/Noel situation.
Sure they do, Kyle Anderson, KJ McDaniels, Jarnell Stokes, Johnny O'Bryant, DeAndre Daniels, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, Nick Johnson, Jordan Clarckson, and Semaj Christian were all guys who left early to be 2nd round picks last year, not to mention the players who leave early and go undrafted each year. Some guys are just ready to get paid whether it's in the NBA or overseas.
I agree, no team was ever like, welp Witchita State almost went undefeated, So Ron Baker is totally better than Andrew Wiggins. Nope, just doesnt translate like that in the NBA. Need to be a physical freak as well as a person who puts up stats. And even there is a blurry line, Big men get taken so often hoping that they develop into the player the front office feels it could be, but rarely does it pan out that way
I guess I hope Monte has such a monster season that he is a lottery pick. Seems like that would indicate a successful season for us! :twitcy:
There's also 60+ kids told they will be first round picks(there's only 30 first round picks). Maybe Monte having a true NBA connection will help his decision.