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MONDAY MUSINGS: Transfer rules, hoops schedule notes

DSMCy said:
You can't use the OAD argument here because that is an NBA rule. As far as the NCAA is concerned (so they'll tell you), all these freshman could go straight to the NBA. But since they can't do that, because the NBA says they must be a year removed from high school, then the kids must play by the NCAA's rules.
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I'm sure they could find a way to make the programs (and even the players) respect the spirit of the concept of "student-athlete" and cut-down on the 18 and 19 year old guns for hire even if they can't coordinate with the NBA. Better than throwing their hands up and blaming graduate transfers who earned their degree.
 
I can see both sides of the argument, I guess.

But I sort of feel that the NCAA has enough problems that the grad transfer rule is not that big of a deal. Anything that gets an athlete to graduate is a good thing, in my opinion. So giving those athletes a benefit is probably a good thing.

I do agree with the decision to do away with transfer waivers though.
 
DSMCy said:
You can't use the OAD argument here because that is an NBA rule. As far as the NCAA is concerned (so they'll tell you), all these freshman could go straight to the NBA. But since they can't do that, because the NBA says they must be a year removed from high school, then the kids must play by the NCAA's rules.
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No they don't. They can play elsewhere if they are not interested in education. There are plenty of things the NCAA could do to limit the amount that schools could use OADs. If that scholly was not available until the second year after being granted to an incoming freshman it would make things very interesting for a program (UK) that is built on OADs.

Yes, the NCAA will tell us that, however they are pleased as punch to have the future marquee NBA players make a $top at their member in$titution$ and tournament.
 
acgclone said:
BDJ's academic track record > Vaughn's academic track record
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BDJ is probably a bad example for a lot of reasons, but late in the season during a post game show, Eric Heft mentioned how BDJ was pretty serious about his graduate studies. I have no idea if this is true, but I don't know why Eric would mention in it, if he didn't think it was true.

Either way, I think it is probably a slippery slope to say things about how the situation between grad transfers in track and grad transfers in basketball are completely different things. Most of the time, they probably are. But without the whole story, you just don't know.
 
ChrisMWilliams said:
Don't know, but don't compare three track athletes to Bryce Dejean-Jones. Very different scenarios, I'm sure.
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If the rule only applies to BB then the difference matters. If it would not be limited to solely BB then it matters a great deal as the track athletes would be affected just as much as BB players like BDJ, Kane and Anderson.
 
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Surprised how many of you are ok with a graduate player having to sit. You do realize there will be a whole lot less graduate transfers if that happens and it will hurt ISU, right?
 
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Back to the non-con schedule conversation, here are the mid-majors that Lunardi has as at-large or on the bubble in his too early tourney field. I didn't include Big East schools, as I'd still consider them a high major for hoops. Obviously having a Gonzaga or Wichita State come to Hilton would be huge, but it seems unlikely that it's a team of that caliber. I guess we will see.

Gonzaga
Wichita State
Dayton
SMU
Cincinnati
Rhode Island
San Diego State
Temple
Murray State
VCU
Buffalo
Old Dominion
Iona
Stephen F. Austin
Yale
Valparaiso
George Washington
Tulsa
Davidson
 
CyJack13 said:
And only a few years ago Jamie had this to say on transfers:

However, it also helps to keep our transfers in perspective. My peers and I continually discuss the epidemic around the country in the sport of basketball. In the past two years over 500 men's basketball players have transferred from a Division I team to another program. That number is absolutely amazing. Unfortunately if a kid's world is not absolutely perfect (in their mind), they run from the problem rather than deal with it. Makes you wonder if it is the first signs of our society's change in our early education program (no longer give kids grades - everybody passes; can't keep score, everybody has to win; if you do not like something, have mom or dad complain on your behalf). Personally I wonder how that generation is going to survive in the real world when mom or dad or AAU coach are not there for them during their first job interview or first job evaluation. The bottom line is life is not a video game, you can't just hit reset if you do not like your initial score.

Apparently he's no longer concerned about this generation surviving in the real world.
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Lol, forgot about this. I love Jamie he can politic with the best of them! His job is to fight for our best interest. We were the poached before and now we are the poacher. I blame nobody for advocating their interest.

What he said was true in both respect though and not really a conflict. Transferring is too common and graduate should be allowed to transfer freely. Both statement are true.
 
Sigmapolis said:
I'm sure they could find a way to make the programs (and even the players) respect the spirit of the concept of "student-athlete" and cut-down on the 18 and 19 year old guns for hire even if they can't coordinate with the NBA. Better than throwing their hands up and blaming graduate transfers who earned their degree.
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Delaney has a plan.
 
VeloClone said:
No they don't. They can play elsewhere if they are not interested in education. There are plenty of things the NCAA could do to limit the amount that schools could use OADs. If that scholly was not available until the second year after being granted to an incoming freshman it would make things very interesting for a program (UK) that is built on OADs.

Yes, the NCAA will tell us that, however they are pleased as punch to have the future marquee NBA players make a $top at their member in$titution$ and tournament.
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2 year scholly is actually a good solution once it's awarded it's used regardless. Teams will pick carefully. A play on that would Only allow transfers after 2 year initial scholly too. basically allow transfers at end of 2 or upon graduation after 4. Basically allowing players to have 4 in 6 with 2 opportunities to transfer.
 
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MNCyGuy said:
Back to the non-con schedule conversation, here are the mid-majors that Lunardi has as at-large or on the bubble in his too early tourney field. I didn't include Big East schools, as I'd still consider them a high major for hoops. Obviously having a Gonzaga or Wichita State come to Hilton would be huge, but it seems unlikely that it's a team of that caliber. I guess we will see.

Gonzaga
Wichita State
Dayton
SMU
Cincinnati
Rhode Island
San Diego State
Temple
Murray State
VCU
Buffalo
Old Dominion
Iona
Stephen F. Austin
Yale
Valparaiso
George Washington
Tulsa
Davidson
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I'd take some Dayton or VCU.
 
MNCyGuy said:
Back to the non-con schedule conversation, here are the mid-majors that Lunardi has as at-large or on the bubble in his too early tourney field. I didn't include Big East schools, as I'd still consider them a high major for hoops. Obviously having a Gonzaga or Wichita State come to Hilton would be huge, but it seems unlikely that it's a team of that caliber. I guess we will see.

Gonzaga
Wichita State
Dayton
SMU
Cincinnati
Rhode Island
San Diego State
Temple
Murray State
VCU
Buffalo
Old Dominion
Iona
Stephen F. Austin
Yale
Valparaiso
George Washington
Tulsa
Davidson
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I can see SMU and WSU Gonzaga or Rhode Island making sense.
 
MNCyGuy said:
Back to the non-con schedule conversation, here are the mid-majors that Lunardi has as at-large or on the bubble in his too early tourney field. I didn't include Big East schools, as I'd still consider them a high major for hoops. Obviously having a Gonzaga or Wichita State come to Hilton would be huge, but it seems unlikely that it's a team of that caliber. I guess we will see.

Gonzaga
Wichita State
Dayton
SMU
Cincinnati
Rhode Island
San Diego State
Temple
Murray State
VCU
Buffalo
Old Dominion
Iona
Stephen F. Austin
Yale
Valparaiso
George Washington
Tulsa
Davidson
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Didn't UNI hang its hat on a Stephen F Austin win for about 3 months last year?
 
I don't give a rip what CW thinks about it. This is just one more attempt to put Iowa State back in their place. I wouldn't bet a nickel that KU isn't behind the move. Who else has been hurt by the rule? DK was already shown the door at Marshall. BDJ's spot was already filled at UNLV. I'm not sure NIU had basketball after Anderson left.
 
coolclone said:
I don't give a rip what CW thinks about it. This is just one more attempt to put Iowa State back in their place. I wouldn't bet a nickel that KU isn't behind the move. Who else has been hurt by the rule? DK was already shown the door at Marshall. BDJ's spot was already filled at UNLV. I'm not sure NIU had basketball after Anderson left.
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So is there a particular brand of tin foil you prefer for your hats?
 
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