Part of that is the style of defense used in this league. Against press coverage vs 2010 TTU you guys went deep with regularity. This year there was less sense in throwing deep routes as quarters, three deep zone, and other "keep them in front of us" tactics were employed by pretty much all but UT. Add to that inconsistent QB play and it is even less of an attractive proposition. I know you guys got us on one or two deep ones so the scheme uses them but whether it is opponent schemes or little faith in raw QBs they were not called on as much.
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Part of that is the style of defense used in this league. Against press coverage vs 2010 TTU you guys went deep with regularity. This year there was less sense in throwing deep routes as quarters, three deep zone, and other "keep them in front of us" tactics were employed by pretty much all but UT. Add to that inconsistent QB play and it is even less of an attractive proposition. I know you guys got us on one or two deep ones so the scheme uses them but whether it is opponent schemes or little faith in raw QBs they were not called on as much.
Here's a fun stat. (Doesn't regard to offense)
ISU ranked 7 in the nation in returning yards.
ISU ranked 23 in the nation for punting yards.
Besides kicking, our special teams were pretty dang good this year. Will Mess continue to coach them or have we found another person who will fill that position?
ISU ranked 7 in the nation in returning yards.
ISU ranked 23 in the nation for punting yards.
Besides kicking, our special teams were pretty dang good this year. Will Mess continue to coach them or have we found another person who will fill that position?
My intention wasn't to be nasty. Sorry if it came off that way. The problem with Georgia Tech's offense is that if it doesn't work, it really doesn't work. You can see it in their year too I think. As the season went on, teams seemed to figure them out a little.
I understand what you are saying, but defenses seem to press up against ISU, and ISU doesn't see the "keep them in front of us" tactics like other teams do.
In addition to Washington here are a few more...
Boise in their games against 2010 VT, 2011 UGA, 09 Oregon, 06 OrSt and 06 OU. Less talent and a primarily power & misdirection run based scheme with frequent use of TEs and FBs to spring RBs for big gains.
Arizona State slings it around a lot but technically is the ole Dennis Erickson one-back offense that he ran at Miami in the early 90s. Obviously they tweaked it and it is spread-ish but technically different.
2010 San Diego State used a balanced pro style attack under OC Al Borges who used something very similar at Auburn with Jason Campbell, Cadillac Williams, and Ronnie Brown. Their 4 close losses were to BYU, Utah, TCU, and MU that year and the offense showed up well in all 4.
Fresno State's better offenses the past few years are pure pro style.
Louisville under Petrino and Arky under Petrino started off as undertalented and went places.
Jeff Tedford's offenses at Cal and Oregon before he went spread rarely out-talented the opposing teams and were very good. Harrington, Boller, Rodgers, Akili Smith...
I agree that the spread offenses are usually better but I would take a balanced offense over a non-balanced one spread or not.
And everyone would be praising our scheme if we either had a more accurate QB or WR's with better hands. Sorry to break it to you, but a pistol offense isn't going to increase our QB's accuracy or put glue on our WR's hands.
Now, Barnett entering his third year in the offense and Jantz entering his second might help. Having a better "teacher" at OC/QB coach might help them and this offense. Losing Reynolds and Darks who dropped the ball more than anyone may be addition by subtraction.
Now, Barnett entering his third year in the offense and Jantz entering his second might help. Having a better "teacher" at OC/QB coach might help them and this offense. Losing Reynolds and Darks who dropped the ball more than anyone may be addition by subtraction.
1- Hopefully RG3 but if he leaves it will be Nick Florence.
2- Flo is a QB with good accuracy, good decisions, and similar running ability to Jantz. He showed great improvement from 09 when he was a true freshman when we saw him this year. He came in at the half after RG3 got a concussion in the Tech game and made some nice throws. I feel he is clearly better than at least 3 starting 2011 QBs in the Big 12 and we will still be ok with him at the controls. We will be less potent with the deep ball but the rest should be just fine and he throws ok deep.
The thing about Money is that he has by far the most big play potential but consistency is an issue.
Lenz/Horne are less explosive (Horne cam make big plays though) but seem to catch almost everything!!
We missed Money this year. Many times he did not show up and seemed to disappear in games. Consistency was not his strength.
We'll his physicality and jump ball ability.
We won't miss the drops.
The bottom line is that he did some things really really well, and was a good contributor, but it's nothing irreplaceable.
Who are you going one on one in the redzone and throwing it to next year? That guy isn't there right now. Now, maybe someone will emerge, but right now, he was the only guy we ever even tried doing that with.
Maybe he is there. But has to emerge like you said. I have no problem with that. Money made some nice catches. And made some nice drops as well.
Some our Redshirts have good size along with a couple incoming Freshmen. IMO, the loss of Darks and Money is a loss. But not the greatest loss. We will miss Rump far more. As well as KO, LJ, TB, HH, PN, and JL. Although IMO, we have some good prospects to replace them. WR is no different IMO. In fact, the prospects are better than what we are losing.
What makes you believe scheme does not impact accuracy? Increasing the open looks, increases accuracy. Given th congestion caused by our offense, it magnified the accuracy issues of our QBs.
Perhaps in a couple years, but it would be some rapid improvement if the WR go from being inferior to Darks and Money, to an improvement over them, in less than a year.
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"Money" was not always in the bank this year like I expected.
We have to give him credit for his key contributions which were huge and vital to our wins, but also recognize that he had some key drops that were significant to some of our losses.
That's right...I'm quoting my own post. Why? Because people are still not getting it...ISU has quality talent on the offensive side of the ball. But it is YOUNG! ALL of our offensive coaches have done quality jobs...Bill Bliel obviously has done amazing work considering what he inherited. Herm was handed the keys to probably the least athletic offense in the entire conference and he still found a way to help us win games against decent defenses (Iowa/OSU). Mess has done a great job with ST's and both the WR's and TE's.
This offense is ready to pop...might not pop fully next year but look out in 2013 and beyond. We just need a good teacher to grind the fundementals into these young guys brains. Mess is the perfect guy.
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