I would look more to Tom Davis then Keno. This is his dad's team.
Let's see where Keno is in year 3-4.
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I would look more to Tom Davis then Keno. This is his dad's team.
Let's see where Keno is in year 3-4.
I started this thread because everybody is saying we don't have talent. Iowa State was 17-14 in 2002-2003 season with Vroman, Homan, and Sullivan. I realize those 3 guys had great careers but they are nowhere near as athletic as Brackins, Clark, and Johnson. Plus, had Marsden and Taggart not quit the team or transferred, we would have 7 top 150 recruits on the team. Iowa State should be competing at a higher level. With that much talent and minimal results, you can't help but wonder if coaching is the problem.
I don't want to hear all the talk about getting people to "buy into McDermott's system" You buy into the system on day one or you transfer like Taggart, Degand, and Evanovich did. Tim Floyd put together an amazing team after Hoiberg and Meyer were gone. All the guys he had were a bunch of nobody's (Willoughby was a transfer from powerhouse New Orleans, Cato was a South Alabama transfer, and Holloway probably shouldn't have ever set foot on a Big 8 court) This team won and won right away. They were coached to have talent. The guys Iowa State has now have talent and I just get the feeling they aren't performing at the level they are capable of.
Don't want to hear about weak guard play either. Iowa State won with Matt Knoll and Jacy Holloway running the point back in the day. I realize I will probably catch alot of flack for this post but I think I have a couple decent points.
I don't want to hear all the talk about getting people to "buy into McDermott's system" You buy into the system on day one or you transfer like Taggart, Degand, and Evanovich did. Tim Floyd put together an amazing team after Hoiberg and Meyer were gone. All the guys he had were a bunch of nobody's (Willoughby was a transfer from powerhouse New Orleans, Cato was a South Alabama transfer, and Holloway probably shouldn't have ever set foot on a Big 8 court) This team won and won right away. They were coached to have talent. The guys Iowa State has now have talent and I just get the feeling they aren't performing at the level they are capable of.
Don't want to hear about weak guard play either. Iowa State won with Matt Knoll and Jacy Holloway running the point back in the day. I realize I will probably catch alot of flack for this post but I think I have a couple decent points.
I now see what this is. It's a swipe at the coaching staff dressed in team-talent clothing.
Classy...
Classy...
I don't think so, this was Keno's team last year and Tom hadn't done any recruiting since his first year at Drake. Tom was pretty much a figurehead the last couple of years but Keno has been running the show.
Kelvin Cato and Dedric Willoughby both came in as Juniors and had Big 8/Big 12 ready bodies...Garrett, Staiger, and Brackins are all very talented players, but they are freshmen, and have freshmen bodies (except Staiger)...let them have some time to get in the weight room...strength and toughness are absolutely HUGE in Big 12 basketball...Do people honestly believe that if a freshmen is talented, and well coached he should immediately come in and dominate? Give them time, let them find the weight room, it took two and a half seasons for Marcus Fizer to become NCAA player of the year-runner up...his freshmen season he was "talented" and we sucked...
They might not be as athletic, but this is still a completely ridiculous statement. Completely ridiculous.
Sully wasn't athletic, but the guy is the career 3pt% leader in ISU history. Homan is the blocks leader in ISU history. Vroman is the best rebounder this team has had since Fizer and he was drafted in the NBA first round because of it. Whether you like it or not, these guys are more talented than the guys currently on the roster and all were upperclassman in that year.
Also, as I said before, Cory Johnson was not a top 150 recruit. Neither was Marsden so I don't see how that point makes any sense. Would this team be better if it had Clent Stewart on it from KSU? That guy sucks and he was in the top 150. Once they play a year in college throw those recruiting rankings out the window as I said before. All you can measure it by is what they do on the court.
Also, who's to say we don't go 17-14 this year? I don't see the need to take pot shots at the coaching staff in this way, especially considering that 17-14 was Eustachy's fifth year and this is McD's second year of a huge rebuilding project. The situations are completely different.
In the past few weeks i have been extremely impressed with Brian peterson i know he gets flipped crap alot but one thing that hurt us big time last year was turnovers and he hasn't done that hardly at all allowing us at least get a much better look at the basketball hoop
I did not take a shot about him - I made a pretty accurate observation. His views are significantly flawed and didn't even have his "facts" straight - as perfectly illustrated here...
1) Marsden was no where NEAR top 150 talent. He may have been good at "learning the system," but all that tells us is that he's smart. He showed nothing offensively and proved to be nothing more than adequate defensively.
2) We won with Matt Knoll!??? Huh? Unless I was in a coma for awhile during my teen years, I believe we were what, 12-19 the year Matt Knoll received playing time?
As I said before, I think Coach Mac could use the athletic abilities the guys on his team have a lot more than he does. But I also know that he is a GREAT coach. These guys do have all the athletic ability and that's something that can't be taught. But Mac is teaching them all the other stuff that can be taught: blocking out, posting up, ball handling, etc. He's teaching them the fundamentals, and that stuff is just as important. Especially if you can have players that are athletic and have the fundamentals down. Give DG and Craig a few years and I gurantee you will be impressed with how good they become.
Just look how much better Rahshon's defense and ball handling have gotten since Mac got here (ball handling's still not the best, but he didn't even start playing bball until he was 15, so I give him a little leeway there:smile
. Another example is Jiri. When Jiri got here he wanted to play the 3, and he was set in his mind frame of how he wanted to play. Mac has turned Jiri into a really good post player in just over a year, so imgaine what he can do with Craig...
Just look how much better Rahshon's defense and ball handling have gotten since Mac got here (ball handling's still not the best, but he didn't even start playing bball until he was 15, so I give him a little leeway there:smile
. Another example is Jiri. When Jiri got here he wanted to play the 3, and he was set in his mind frame of how he wanted to play. Mac has turned Jiri into a really good post player in just over a year, so imgaine what he can do with Craig...
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Well, considering that you think that Peterson should be a bench player on most teams
, I'm not sure what you're thinking. I don't know of many point guards in the last 4 games (regardless of the relatively weak competition) who had 29 assists and 1 turnover. Having 1 turnover through 4 games for any point guard is fantastic. But, 29 assists, that's great! This includes against Purdue and Alabama. And he has been our best 3-point shooter. Having a JC transfer be able to step in like that and learn the system so quick is great. The younger guys have to be learning alot from him as well.
Well, considering that you think that Peterson should be a bench player on most teams
I had a friend in high school that played NAIA ball, and when I saw him after starting his season, I asked him what the biggest difference between high school and college ball was, he replied without hesitating that it was quickness.
He was astounded how quick everyone was and at the overall speed of the game. I wonder if BP had to make a similar adjustment from JUCO to D-I and he is now "getting it." He looked really slow out there at the beginning of the season, and I don't notice that so much now.
Why is BP everyone whipping boy? Just because he is white, small, a JUCO walk on, and not very flashy doesn't mean he cannot play. He did struggle at the start of the season but he has really improved his game, he does force something now and then, but when the game is close he does a good job. JCHollaway (who BP reminds me of in a way) wasn't the flashiest guy but he did lead the team to a Sweet 16. Lets not forget he was a recruited walk-on that had other DI offers. When he got to campus last summer Taylor was on the team as well as Brister, at that point I bet he wasn't in the plan at all at PG and now he is the starter leading the team and doing a good job.
Maybe those haters dont like him because he has a good assist to turnover ratio, hits his shots when he needs to, has range in his shots (did you see the 3 he had last night), runs the offense good, finds the open man, is helping DG in many ways, and plays his butt off.
Maybe those haters dont like him because he has a good assist to turnover ratio, hits his shots when he needs to, has range in his shots (did you see the 3 he had last night), runs the offense good, finds the open man, is helping DG in many ways, and plays his butt off.
I've learned every team must have a whipping boy and most of the time it's the smallest guy that's not a stud player.
BP isn't great but he's been good for us, especially as of late.
BP isn't great but he's been good for us, especially as of late.
Agreed that BP took way too much heat for this team sucking.
It is clear that the injuries to Wes, Jiri, and Rahshon were the biggest factors.
I dont know how well you could be a NEW point guard in a NEW system with NEW teammates when you dont even get to practice with your normal starters. Add in the fact that we probably were practicing all summer with the expectation that Lucca would be starting and thats 4 of the 5 guys you are normally used to playing with not being out on the court playing as their normal selves.
It is clear that the injuries to Wes, Jiri, and Rahshon were the biggest factors.
I dont know how well you could be a NEW point guard in a NEW system with NEW teammates when you dont even get to practice with your normal starters. Add in the fact that we probably were practicing all summer with the expectation that Lucca would be starting and thats 4 of the 5 guys you are normally used to playing with not being out on the court playing as their normal selves.
Yes I agree, he is no all conference player but is someone the team can depend on.
Right.
Because when the team went into a slump in the first half last night...which guy sparked them?
BP...
Because when the team went into a slump in the first half last night...which guy sparked them?
BP...