Men's B-Ball Talent
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If you think that team and this one is comparable in talent, you are clueless. Vroman, Homan, and Sullivan were studs, and you don't even mention Blaylock or Stinson who was also a stud and went for 17pts 6rebs and 4assists a night on 49% shooting. Plus Staple was solid off the bench and Jefferson could come in and play decent defense.
That team vastly underacheived at 17-14, if they would have had Eustachy teaching them discipline, physical defense and rebounding they had sweet 16 potential. You can argue that 5 of those guys are top 30 players in our program ALL TIME. In fact, Stinson, Sullivan, Blalock and Homan were candidates for the all century team, and you could argue Vroman should have been as well. But yeah, they were really comparable in talent to this years team!
Agree 100% about the PG upgrade this year...and I do think BP will help Garrett develop instead of being fed to the wolves. I really think the backcourt will be improved next year if; Buckley can contribute, Lucca can shoot and pass as advertised, and Diante gets his feet under him this year and adds strength in the off-season. I also think losing Clark and Jiri will cause bigger problems for us than some think...especially early in the season.
To me BP came in almost like an undersized shooting guard and has been learning how to truly run an offense on the go this year. I say this because from everything I've heard about Kirkwood's basketball team they don't really "run" much of an offense it's more a run down the floor and fire up a 3 ball... Which would explain why he's a pretty decent shooter... (Don't know for sure if that's correct about their offense as I've never seen them play, does anybody know if thats the case for sure???)
peterson is a solid PG hes a Jacy halloway type player not flashy but runs the offense well and will hit the 3 ball when open. hes adjusting to the speed of D1 B-ball and by the time we start conference play he will be a big part in our teams success. Diante is definitely more athletic but gets a little to excited some times. BP will help him out a lot this year and by next year DG will be better because of BP
Cyclone#1, your tearing down Cory Johnson at any available opportunity, makes me think that you have something personal against him or his family. Do you happen to know his parents or work in the same field as his family? I know the answer and it sure doesn't make you an independent observer of Cyclone basketball.
Well, considering that you think that Peterson should be a bench player on most teams, I'm not sure what you're thinking. I don't know of many point guards in the last 4 games (regardless of the relatively weak competition) who had 29 assists and 1 turnover. Having 1 turnover through 4 games for any point guard is fantastic. But, 29 assists, that's great! This includes against Purdue and Alabama. And he has been our best 3-point shooter. Having a JC transfer be able to step in like that and learn the system so quick is great. The younger guys have to be learning alot from him as well.
You cannot disregard the talent level of our competition. Peterson is clearly having a nice stretch against the weaker teams we will face. That is great! This tells me he is certainly a smart player but those "smarts" will have trouble making up for his deficit in athleticism and quickness once he starts facing Big 12 guards like Augustin.
Bingo! This is why a guy that averages 25 or 30 at some small rural school comes in and, often, never sees the floor. Your friend saw the up-tick in the speed of the game in NAIA ball...when you go to a major DI program the up-tick in the speed of the game is even greater and you have the additional specter of dramatically bigger players to compete against.
WOW!
If the answer is that I don't know him or his parents and I have no earthly idea what "field" his family works in...then yes...you do know the answer.
I guess you are only supposed to express an opinion on a Cyclone player if it is a good opinion. I just happen to believe that this kid, because of his size and athleticism, can offer nothing more than to be a very small role player (that role being one to come off the bench and bring some energy onto the floor diving after loose balls, etc.) or a sub in garbage time. I have nothing "personal" against him or his family.
I see a lot of basketball (SEC in person, Louisiana state HS in person, national on TV) and I just do not see this kid as being able to be a true contributor to the success of a Big 12 level team.
Frankly, I only ever bring this up when people on the site go crazy with the "CJ should get to play more...man he was awesome against USC-Upstate" talk. It is my opinion that if he is ever more than a small role player that we are going to struggle as a team. He may be a great kid and student (I don't know this but some have indicated)...but I would submit to you that there are thousands of great kids and students at ISU...that doesn't mean I want them playing on my basketball team. This kid is just another in a long line of kids that were pretty darn good HS players that just can't make the step-up into major college basketball.
As a pre-emptive response...yes, I do know that Cory "held" Oden to roughly 20 and 10 last year when Oden was basically playing with one hand!
Why do you feel the need to point it out? If you think someone else should be playing instead, talk about why that player should be playing, not why Cory shouldn't.
I just respond to those who try to tell me how great this kid is after he has an OK game against a team that is barely a DI team.
What I really find fascinating is how some on this site speak out of one side of their mouth telling us how great a coach McDermott is and then out of the other side of their mouth bemoaning the fact that CJ doesn't get more minutes. If you think McDermott can coach then you should trust his judgment in playing this kid typically less than 5 minutes a game (when the game is actually on the line against a decent opponent).
What is wrong with talking a kid up after a good game? Give him his props, he played well.
I guess I don't see how talking over and over again about his shortcomings, which I agree he has, is productive. I find it easy to let over-praise go, while it's much harder to listen to someone be overly critical.
I guess I don't see how talking over and over again about his shortcomings, which I agree he has, is productive. I find it easy to let over-praise go, while it's much harder to listen to someone be overly critical.
I've said it before...CJ is a good player, but there are instances where he is going to be more successful than others. When we're playing a "big" team, his lack of size really shows. When the opponent is undersized, he shines. Right now, to me, he is a situational player. He can also come into any game as a catalyst, because his effort can be contagious.
I think he can add to his game by becoming more of an outside guy (improving ballhandling), which would really make him able to draw out some bigger guys trying to guard him.
I wasn't aware that you have seen a lot of basketball. That's a perspective many of us never will have.
What would LSU do?
Interesting that you ask!
I am a Cyclone...if cut I bleed cardinal and gold. However, I am also now a strong supporter of LSU.
It has been interesting being a part of two fan bases that are nearly polar opposites. At ISU we keep a FB coach for 12 years that has an overall record of 56-85 and some actually believe he should still be our coach. At LSU the current coach goes 33-6 in his first three years and I can assure you that his coaching chair will be very hot if he loses this coming Monday night to Ohio St. At ISU we are more than willing to "wait 'til next year" or "wait 'til the year after next" in basketball. At LSU, less than two years after a Final Four appearance (2006) the chances of the coach being fired are very great (they were 17-15 last year and 7-6 so far this year)...in fact a top donor wrote a letter to the editor that he should be let go NOW. At ISU we have no baseball team. At LSU they are currently building a new state-of-the-art baseball stadium that has a price tage over $30 million.
My point is that, from my perspective, LSU is a little "over the top" and that we are too willing to settle for mediocrity. I think we, as ISU fans, need to be more demanding while the typical LSU fan really needs to "ease up".