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Makale Foreman Grad Transfer

CyGuy5 said:
The offer list doesn’t seem all that good, but at this point just take what we can get
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We don't know who offered MF or not but he was being talked to by P5 Schoolsonce he announce his transfer last week.

@JonRothstein Stony Brook grad transfer Makale Foreman tells me he's receiving interest from the following programs:
BYU
Cal
Portland
Creighton
Santa Clara
Depaul
East Tennessee State
Minnesota
Utah State

Immediately eligible.
 
He can shoot at a good clip and you have 3 schollies. You take him if you have a role for him and he is in agreement
 
Cyclad said:
With an unpopular opinion - I disagree.
I think he had a pretty good shot selection, he just could not shoot. He took a lot of late shot clock shots because of our lack of creators with the ball. He had a good looking shot, not sure why they would not go in. I expect disagrees.
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He was a career 37% pct from the field. Not 3 pt pct from the field. He is an average college shooter with atrocious shot selection.
 
Foreman is an absolute hard pass unless we are going to miss on JCL. He is an absolute chucker and honestly his minutes would be best served to develop the freshmen and Tre and see what we have.
In 10 consecutive games in the America East Conference from Mid-January to Mid-February this is what you got from the field:

Game 1 Binghamton (3-15)
Game 2 UMASS-Lowell (5-14)
Game 3 UMBC. (6-18)
Game 4 UMASS-Lowell (2-13)
Game 5 New Hampshire (5-21)
Game 6 Binghamton (4-17)
Game 7 Vermont (3-15)
Game 8 Maine (4-12)
Game 9 Hartford (5-17)
Game 10 Albany. (5-16)

That ten game segment he was 42-158 from the field for 26.6%. His Asst:TO was 23:24 during that span. He was 23-87 from 3 pt range in this span for 26.4%.

Good shooters or even average shooters don’t have slumps like this in the America East and this have success by transferring up. Sorry he would be a bigger issue then Nixon and I despised that pickup at the time.

Kids that average 14 shot attempts a game and are transferring to their 3rd school aren’t going to be content with a role off the bench. Chuckers are chuckers and if they get 10 minutes a game they will try and force up 4-5 shots in that time frame. I would think CSP would have learned.
 
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rochclone said:
Foreman is an absolute hard pass unless we are going to miss on JCL. He is an absolute chucker and honestly his minutes would be best served to develop the freshmen and Tre and see what we have.
In 10 consecutive games in the America East Conference from Mid-January to Mid-February this is what you got from the field:

Game 1 Binghamton (3-15)
Game 2 UMASS-Lowell (5-14)
Game 3 UMBC. (6-18)
Game 4 UMASS-Lowell (2-13)
Game 5 New Hampshire (5-21)
Game 6 Binghamton (4-17)
Game 7 Vermont (3-15)
Game 8 Maine (4-12)
Game 9 Hartford (5-17)
Game 10 Albany. (5-16)

That ten game segment he was 42-158 from the field for 26.6%. His Asst:TO was 23:24 during that span. He was 23-87 from 3 pt range in this span for 26.4%.

Good shooters or even average shooters don’t have slumps like this in the America East and this have success by transferring up. Sorry he would be a bigger issue then Nixon and I despised that pickup at the time.

Kids that average 14 shot attempts a game and are transferring to their 3rd school aren’t going to be content with a role off the bench. Chuckers are chuckers and if they get 10 minutes a game they will try and force up 4-5 shots in that time frame. I would think CSP would have learned.
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We've arrived back to my earlier claim that he would only be a slight. very slight, upgrade to T Lew
 
Cyclonepride said:
He definitely looks like a guy who can contribute for us. We've got some players. Just need to round it out, and he fills the bill there.
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Exactly. I like what we have in returning players, and incoming freshman. All we need is a PG and a Wing. Foreman and JCL fit the bill. If Harris is somehow eligible that puts us over the top talent wise to go Dancing.
 
Was searching for highlights on him and found a bunch of HS football highlights. His older brother played some preaseason nfl. They may think he has the athleticism to transfer to a better league. Hope they can land him.
 
WhoISthis said:
Polarizing is calling him a home run. I haven’t called him Nixon, but used Nixon to point out the flaw in thinking getting 25+ min/gm and high usage means he’s a home run.

That said, what do you mean we shouldn’t expect them to perform at Nixon’s level? If the shoe fits...
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I meant we shouldn't try and twist our minds into thinking he's the next Nixon because of how Nixon played last year, and we shouldn't try and talk him up into being the next Shayok either. If we end up getting him, we should wait and see what he brings to the floor before we start labeling him as terrible or great.
 
SpokaneCY said:
Shayok was a home run but only in the rear view mirror. We likely got WAY more out of him than anyone thought when he came aboard.
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I mean so was Kane to some sense. Kane had been playing in the MAC and was a huge liability as far as his attitude went towards his superiors.
 
Statefan10 said:
I meant we shouldn't try and twist our minds into thinking he's the next Nixon because of how Nixon played last year, and we shouldn't try and talk him up into being the next Shayok either. If we end up getting him, we should wait and see what he brings to the floor before we start labeling him as terrible or great.
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How utopian, and silly. This is a message board to discuss ISU MBB. No, we shouldn’t wait to label a player to what we think his resume suggests.

He’s not likely to be a home run or Shayok, and he has many similarities to Nixon. With his superior shooting with the new line, he should be a notch better than Nixon, but he had a long stretch of playing like Nixon while in his lower level conference. He shouldn’t be expected to have a role commensurate of a “home run”.
 
WhoISthis said:
How utopian, and silly. This is a message board to discuss ISU MBB. No, we shouldn’t wait to label a player to what we think his resume suggests.

He’s not likely to be a home run or Shayok, and he has many similarities to Nixon. With his superior shooting with the new line, he should be a notch better than Nixon, but he had a long stretch of playing like Nixon while in his lower level conference. He shouldn’t be expected to have a role commensurate of a “home run”.
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I'm not saying he absolutely won't be the next Nixon, I'm just trying to cool some of the heads that like to say "Oh god we're getting the next Nixon or Beverly. This guy isn't going to bring anything to the table." And I realize this is a message board and it's for opinionated arguments. My argument, from my point of view, would be that I like this guy and don't think he's going to come to Iowa State and shoot 28% from beyond the arc and turn into the next punching bag on Twitter and CycloneFanatic. He's longer, more athletic, and played solid in the Big East last year. If you want to hang your hat on that he's the next coming of Prentiss, by all means go ahead.
 
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WhoISthis said:
How utopian, and silly. This is a message board to discuss ISU MBB. No, we shouldn’t wait to label a player to what we think his resume suggests.

He’s not likely to be a home run or Shayok, and he has many similarities to Nixon. With his superior shooting with the new line, he should be a notch better than Nixon, but he had a long stretch of playing like Nixon while in his lower level conference. He shouldn’t be expected to have a role commensurate of a “home run”.
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Imo he is a PG. We need a PG. Prohm knows PG's and if he likes him enough to give him the keys to run the point for 1 year I can't argue that because evaluating and coaching PG's is Prohms strength. His ability to shoot the 3 very well is just a bonus.
 
Statefan10 said:
I'm not saying he absolutely won't be the next Nixon, I'm just trying to cool some of the heads that like to say "Oh god we're getting the next Nixon or Beverly. This guy isn't going to bring anything to the table." And I realize this is a message board and it's for opinionated arguments. My argument, from my point of view, would be that I like this guy and don't think he's going to come to Iowa State and shoot 28% from beyond the arc and turn into the next punching bag on Twitter and CycloneFanatic. He's longer, more athletic, and played solid in the Big East last year. If you want to hang your hat on that he's the next coming of Prentiss, by all means go ahead.
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You know what you shouldn’t do? Resort to strawmans. Come on, you’re better than that.

Didn’t JCL shoot 28% in the Big East last year? I’m not expecting him to be like Nixon, but JCL’s resume suggests he’s much closer to a role player (shooter) than home run. Foreman is potentially more similar to Nixon’s game given usage, size, handle, and assist rate. He was better shooting, but had some horrendous stretches in a low major conference. He’s never been a facilitator as a pg, and it’s a stretch to think he’s a Big 12 level scoring pg. He couldn’t even do that at Stony Brook
 
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WhoISthis said:
You know what you shouldn’t do? Resort to strawmans. Come on, you’re better than that.

Didn’t JCL shoot 28% in the Big East last year? I’m not expecting him to be like Nixon, but JCL’s resume suggests he’s much closer to a role player than home run.
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He shot 32% actually, which is something to be concerned about, however I think that will get better as him, and many others, had an adjustment year with the line being moved back. The year prior to that, JCL shot 25% which again is not good. But he only played in 9 total games. There's no reason to think he wouldn't have gotten better considering the two years at Illinois, he shot 36%.

I'm not particularly worried about his shooting though because his build allows him to be more than just that. We don't need him to be an unreal shooter. We need him to be a threat from outside, which he is, but we really need him to be able to use his ability to get to the rim.
 
Cyclad said:
With an unpopular opinion - I disagree.
I think he had a pretty good shot selection, he just could not shoot. He took a lot of late shot clock shots because of our lack of creators with the ball. He had a good looking shot, not sure why they would not go in. I expect disagrees.
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The guy should not have shot 3's clearly it was out of his range. That is poor shot selection. I mean you could have Conditt hoisting up open 3's, does not mean an open 3 from him is a good shot.
 
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