The problem I have with Beverly starting is that it has contributed to slow starts. He will be good for spot minutes, but last night he was awful at the beginning. Several bad shots, got it stolen underneath, and the offense just seemed totally out of synch at the beginning. We just look so much better when Lard is in the game. I realize we need to keep him out of four trouble, but we also need to avoid these bad starts - particularly When conference play starts
Lard should start
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Just taking the wrong shots for his skill set. Beverly has shown he can hit open 8-10 footers. 3 pointers and offensive rebound put backs not so much.
We'll need Jeff down the road, nobody is arguing that. However, like Holden and Bowie, he's got to stick to his role- and his appears to be short jumpers and rebounding.
Haha I know, but I took it there. Senior George for sure, freshman George may be a better comp. But still, I am guessing a crafty guy like George will make a nice living on the coaching circuit when he is done playing.
It is just an optimistic dream but like most fans I would love to see a George and Naz combo on the ISU bench. George for the coaching and Naz for the recruiting. Then when Steve "Jeff" Prohm retires after winning 10 consecutive national championships, we can just hand the keys over to one of them.
Hard to disagree with your post. Everything you say is pretty accurate. However, I think bringing him off the bench is the best plan for now. I kind of feel sorry for Beverly, kid has good instincts, just too small for his role. He is no Burton in terms of athleticism which would allow him to have more success. Anyway, back to Lard. He is way more skilled offensively than Young. But I think the key to not starting him is what you said - fouls. When he is confronted with strong experienced post players he will struggle defensively and foul. Freshman bigs have to learn how to use their bodies without fouling. IMO - there will be games this year where we will need all 10 fouls Lard and Young have to give. I would stay with Lard off bench, with somewhat limited minutes with he and Young in at the same time. I think that will cause less game management issues than starting him. I would be more inclined to start Tally over Beverly, but right now Beverly makes less mistakes. Tally has not figured out his role, Beverly has - just hard for him to do it. Just my opinion.
Not sure how to explain it, but Lard had a nice bucket where he jumped kind of sideways and put it up with a one handed shot. It was a solid move.
I completely agree with this. There has been a lot of production from Lard and if his head is right and he does what the coach asks and expects he is the best low post player. Solomon has been soft inside on the offensive end by not finishing and Beverly has been getting blocked a lot and not finishing as well. If Lard can stay in the game and not be in foul trouble I think the 8 man rotation is pretty obvious. Just my take on it.
Bad starts are pretty much the standard for ISU basketball for the last several years. Why change that now?
I don’t think Lard is competing with Jeff Beverly for playing time. On the contrary, Lard is competing with Lard and his ability to stay out of foul trouble. We generally need either Solomon or Lard on the floor defensively.The one thing keeping them from being on the floor at the same time is that both have a propensity to foul. If that weren’t true, I believe you would already be seeing them on the floor together much more.
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No way Lard beats out Jesus for playing time.
I agree that Young and Lard are the best choices in the post. However, I'll be pretty surprised if either of them can average over 25 minutes a game. Throw 20 minutes on Brase and you already have 10 minutes for Beverly, more if he's playing better or Young or Lard get into foul trouble (Lard is fouling once every 5.8 minutes, Young is once every 8 minutes in his career). Maybe Lard and Young can get up to 30 minutes a game, but I'd say it isn't likely.
I'd also say that it appears Beverly is slumping. He's played better in the past, and its not like the teams we've been playing lately are way above teh competation he's played in the past.
I have no idea why you thinking there is ROI on Talley playing. You're judging Beverly in his play so far this year, yet you must be judging Talley on his potential only. Not really fair to judge Talley on his potential and not Beverly. Beverly is outscoring Talley, outrebounding Talley and out-shooting him.
I guess if you are saying Talley has another year, then you're right. But I think Talley fits better at the wing and doesn't appear to have the ability that Burton, Ejim, Niang had as a small 4 man.
I agree with this. Once he realizes his role as a defender and not a 3-pt shooter I think he will be valuable. For some reason he reminds me of Shawn Bankhead, but hasn't figured out that's what he's supposed to be just yet.
I think Brase is the key to Lard getting more minutes. When Hans shows he's mobile enough to handle being the lone big on the floor I think we'll see Lard and Young on the floor together more often. Currently I think CSP is just burning some clock before he cuts Cam loose to reduce the chance of serious foul trouble.
Next year I'm guessing Jacobson backs up Young, basically to be the steady big on the floor while Lard and Griffin share the other giving us two different types of explosive options.
Bit off topic, was really impressed w/ Lewis last night. He absolutely let the game come to him and was very productive on his touches.
Next year I'm guessing Jacobson backs up Young, basically to be the steady big on the floor while Lard and Griffin share the other giving us two different types of explosive options.
Bit off topic, was really impressed w/ Lewis last night. He absolutely let the game come to him and was very productive on his touches.
Ha! My point was even more profound than I intended!I'm not sure if Lard can compete with Lord.
As one of my former colleagues in South Africa used to say, “Lead with your chin and you’re gonna get clopped!”
Have you looked at the stats per 40 minutes or per 100 possesions? This is a stat that is inflated due to playing time. Also, if you watched the game last night, at least 3 of those rebounds came on one possession. From his own shots.
He may be a good guy, a good teammate and thats great. But he is 0-the season on 3s, is shooting less than 40 percent from the field, can't jump, and is can only defend in the post if his guy is not mobile. Don't kid yourself that he is a Big 12 player. He was a last resort transfer that is clearly not going to work out long term. He will have Merril Holden status soon and that will be best for everyone.