Kempt

[Tre4ISU]

Ha

Or it could be that the team wasn't as good as they looked in October nor as bad as you think yesterday.

I think the problem I have with the fans is that while it was fun to think about winning out, only an idiot would actually think that we would win out. So acting like yesterday was a big surprise and the end of all that is good is pretty ******* stupid.

But, much like every single basketball meltdown, the fact that fans are freaking out just proves we have a good football team.

I haven't seen that. I've seen a bunch of people pissed off we lost a game to a team we are probably better than because we made a bunch of mistakes that were easily avoidable.

 

[Tre4ISU]

We're not seriously going to throw Kyle Kempt under the bus now after he barely lost one game after winning 4 in a row and beating 2 top 5 teams, are we?

I thought Cyclone fans were better than that? I still feel very confident with him out there, as long as he doesn't decide to run unless he has miles of open green grass ahead of him.

I still didn't like Manning's attack yesterday at all. We seemed to abandon the deep passing game for some unknown reason. And when we did do it, we threw it to Ryen instead of one of our three 6'5"+ WRs. And we used the horizontal passing game WAY too much.

Because the horizontal passing game worked and Kempt doesn't throw it down the field well unless he's throwing it to the back shoulder.

 

[FinalFourCy]

The offense hasn't been good since Oklahoma. This isn't debatable at all. This isn't a mad eup problem. By no measure has it been good in even one of those games.

Thank goodness for Mike Stoops (and no film on our offense with Kempt).

Kempt and the receivers have milked the jump-ball about as well as can be. If you would tell me leads to about 14 points a game, I’d buy it. The problem is that’s most of our offense. Where do we get other points and yards from consistently? If that answer continues to be defense and ST our margin of error will continue to be small.

I’m not sure what other cards Manning can play, as the Oline and arm weaknesses are not going away. Those two in combination are usually fatal flaws. I guess I’d start Kempt to see if what we can do well will work, and give Noland some series if it doesn’t. We’ve already done that situational QB with Lanning, and it’s not really a QB controversy when the starter was the walkon, 3rd stringer a month ago.

 

[Pharmacy99]

Thank goodness for Mike Stoops (and no film on our offense with Kempt).

Kempt and the receivers have milked the jump-ball about as well as can be. If you would tell me leads to about 14 points a game, I’d buy it. The problem is that’s most of our offense. Where do we get other points and yards from consistently? If that answer continues to be defense and ST our margin of error will continue to be small.

I’m not sure what other cards Manning can play, as the Oline and arm weaknesses are not going away. Those two in combination are usually fatal flaws. I guess I’d start Kempt to see if what we can do well will work, and give Noland some series if it doesn’t. We’ve already done that situational QB with Lanning, and it’s not really a QB controversy when the starter was the walkon, 3rd stringer a month ago.

What is your point keep bringing up the fact that Kempt was a walk-on? He is the best we have and has done a good job so far. If we had Park as QB, we probably would not have won the games against Oklahoma and TCU as Park would have forced things that were not there especially against TCU.

 

[Cyhart]

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His lack of arm strength limits the throws he can make. Guy makes great decisions most of the time, just can't make all the throws. It is something ISU is going to have to live with. Very impressed with the way he has stepped up and found ways to keep the team going. The defense just needs to step up and get more stops. It would help a lot if the OL could run block at all.

The Defense needs to step up?! Ha! That loss was 100% on the Offense. Felt like 2012 all over again.

 

[Cyhart]

The offense hasn't been good since Oklahoma. This isn't debatable at all. This isn't a mad eup problem. By no measure has it been good in even one of those games.

This is accurate. It's gone under the radar since we have been winning but it's been worrisome to me.

 

[CyCloned]

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The Defense needs to step up?! Ha! That loss was 100% on the Offense. Felt like 2012 all over again.

The safeties had one huge thing they had to do against WVU. Not let guys get behind them. Did it twice in the first quarter. Yes the offense could have come back and won the game, but WVU live on that long pass, and ISU just started the game like they had no clue.

 

[dualthreat]

This situation with Kempt reminds me of when Tim Tebow was winning games with the Broncos. Yes he's doing a nice job and we're winning some games because in part of some great plays he's had, but let's not compare him to Peyton Manning... We're winning despite his limitations. Great TEAM wins

 

[FinalFourCy]

What is your point keep bringing up the fact that Kempt was a walk-on? He is the best we have and has done a good job so far. If we had Park as QB, we probably would not have won the games against Oklahoma and TCU as Park would have forced things that were not there especially against TCU.

That it helps provide the context of his play. If he was a 4-star multiple year starter, the narrative would be a lot different. Instead, you have some here calling his play fantastic.

For the record, Kempt forced things against TCU. Revisionists like you are why Kempt is getting “killed” on CF. You are seeing what you want to see. Kempt had one very untimely INT on a forced throw, and at least two more in which he was bailed out by the WR or flag. The realty is that much of Kempt’s success has come on forced throws (basically jump balls to our WRs). That’s not being critical, it’s what we need to do, but you shouldn’t act as though he forces it less than Park. If Park starts that game it’s just as likely that we win by 21+ than it is we lose, as he can throw down field while also being safe with the ball (sans ONE game).

I don’t care who plays QB or Oline, but those positions are currently limiting this team.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

I've loved his play so far. He had a rough start today, but passing came around.

HOWEVER...he has the type of foot mobility and elusiveness that only the extremely elderly and quadriplegics could envy.

That the coaching staff was somehow unaware of that to the point we tried to run him 3 times...seemingly on purpose...is............troubling.

Hell, I only needed to see it once to realize that it was a bad idea and should only done when literally no other option existed.

I finished watching the replay on ESPN. I thought ISU played a very tough game both on offense and defense against a very determined WV. No one could fault the effort, particularly on an away game, and in the second half being down by 3 scores. A game of inches at the goal line, FG's instead of TD were the difference.

The early bad INT aside, Kempt continues to show great pass accuracy and restraint when the completion is not there. I do not agree with others here that he is somehow the fault of our losing. Far from it. Several of his in-completions were either drops or thrown to where only the receiver had a chance to make the catch. The decision to run Kempt on two occasions at the goal was inexplicable AND was simply poor coach play call.

WV 3rd play from scrimmage on obvious passing down was a killer, not used to seeing ISU let someone run past them deep. Butler called for being whistled for forward progress was a blown call that also hurt. Poor D and clock management at end of first half. Fortunate not to have had a TD score here. ISU players over run the corner blitz and miss tackles on every opportunity. I never see ISU have success with the Blitz. (Poor coaching and/or coaching technique.)

Special teams were outstanding. Punting, kick coverage. Kicker staying the course through the lazer incident was superb. Montgomery gave maybe a best effort this year. Great INT in the EZ.

Refs acted like they were in way over their heads. Confusion on the calls, poor calls both ways. Announcers as others have said, were pathetic. Need to stay with calling the game and player names making plays.

 

[Dannynoonan]

Ok, so Kempt didn't have a great game and we were still in a position to win the game. Bad games happen, he'll get over it and be fine next week. Kempt's best ability has been putting the ball in a position for our WRs to make plays -> they just didn't make enough of them today.

Agreed. WRs didn’t make plays that led to the last four wins. Butler being called down due to forward progress was an absolute horrible call- it would have been a first down and who knows after that.
Ryen dropped a great ball late on the sidelines too.
I really hope a focused ISU plays Saturday!! Let’s go Cyclones!

 

[Pharmacy99]

That it helps provide the context of his play. If he was a 4-star multiple year starter, the narrative would be a lot different. Instead, you have some here calling his play fantastic.

For the record, Kempt forced things against TCU. Revisionists like you are why Kempt is getting “killed” on CF. You are seeing what you want to see. Kempt had one very untimely INT on a forced throw, and at least two more in which he was bailed out by the WR or flag. The realty is that much of Kempt’s success has come on forced throws (basically jump balls to our WRs). That’s not being critical, it’s what we need to do, but you shouldn’t act as though he forces it less than Park. If Park starts that game it’s just as likely that we win by 21+ than it is we lose, as he can throw down field while also being safe with the ball (sans ONE game).

I don’t care who plays QB or Oline, but those positions are currently limiting this team.

When did I say he was a fantastic QB. He is playing well and doing what he has to do to give us chance to win. Park has a strong arm but he is far from a great QB like people like you portray him to be. Since you like to bring up the fact that Kempt was not the starting QB at Oregon State, why wasn’t Park starting QB at Georgia?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Agreed. WRs didn’t make plays that led to the last four wins. Butler being called down due to forward progress was an absolute horrible call- it would have been a first down and who knows after that.
Ryen dropped a great ball late on the sidelines too.
I really hope a focused ISU plays Saturday!! Let’s go Cyclones!

That's a drop by Ryen but it's also an example of a relatively easy throw and catch TD that Kempt made a degree more difficult.

 

[Tre4ISU]

When did I say he was a fantastic QB. He is playing well and doing what he has to do to give us chance to win. Park has a strong arm but he is far from a great QB like people like you portray him to be. Since you like to bring up the fact that Kempt was not the starting QB at Oregon State, why wasn’t Park starting QB at Georgia?

You realize the programs you're comparing right? I mean, I get the point, it's just not a very good one.

 

[madguy30]

Kent's arm strength didn't affect the pass to Ryen. He just short armed it, and didn't put enough on it. A lot of QB's need to learn the art of putting air under the throw. Put the ball out in front of a fast receiver with and step on the defender, and let the receiver adjust to the ball.

Saw Rudolph miss a couple of long ones yesterday....I'm sure he threw for a gazillion yards but he didn't hit the most crucial looks.

Happens.

Kempt is certainly not a Rudolph or anything...the hope is people don't act like it's all on him.

Need a thread titled 'Oline' or 'Not as talented or deep as other teams'.

 

[Pharmacy99]

You realize the programs you're comparing right? I mean, I get the point, it's just not a very good one.

Did you know that Kempt has better completion % and YPA than Park? It is hard to believe “strong armed” Park has lower YPA than “weak armed” Kempt.

 

[madguy30]

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The Defense needs to step up?! Ha! That loss was 100% on the Offense. Felt like 2012 all over again.

The two huge pass plays and 300+ yards given up in the first half takes some of the loss off the offense's shoulders.

Both took a long time to figure it out and by the time they did the game was over and we're looking at another what might have been kind of loss.

 

[FinalFourCy]

When did I say he was a fantastic QB. He is playing well and doing what he has to do to give us chance to win. Park has a strong arm but he is far from a great QB like people like you portray him to be. Since you like to bring up the fact that Kempt was not the starting QB at Oregon State, why wasn’t Park starting QB at Georgia?

I didn’t say or imply that you did. I also did not mentioned Oregon State. Come on, you can do better than this. Why was Park starting ahead of Kempt?

I don’t portray Park to be great, but I also don’t see the need to use revisionist history against him in order to prop up Kempt as something he’s not. I’m not a Kempt hater, but I don’t think he’s why we went 4-0. Kempt is playing well for what he is, but his limitations hinder this offense. Not as badly as the offensive line’s weakness, but he still contributes greatly to the struggles of the offense. Thankfully the defense has stepped up.

 

[AuH2O]

The safeties had one huge thing they had to do against WVU. Not let guys get behind them. Did it twice in the first quarter. Yes the offense could have come back and won the game, but WVU live on that long pass, and ISU just started the game like they had no clue.

Just that simple, then why not play four deep safeties 40 yards off the line of scrimmage. WvU is a really good versatile offense and our defense held them to their lowest point total of the year so far. For our D to work the safeties have to come up and make plays on intermediate routes as well as come up in run support. Those were a couple mistakes not characteristic of he past few weeks, but WVU is a really good offensive team.

 

[Ficklone02]

I am REALLY curious to see what Manning can do with a good offensive line. For the tools he has to work with.....he's doing exceedingly well. Its too bad the 2 linemen transfers decided not to show up this year.