Jon Miller's BTN show gets canned

[GeneralHouston]

Stay classy. The guy just lost his job.

Your anger is misguided, it is no one's fault. Jon just did not bring enough to the table. His fan base and viewer-ship are just not large enough. He does not bring in enough TV sets and money. It does not matter if he did not deserve it.
Trust me Jon understands this. Very fitting.

 

[capitalcityguy]

Your anger is misguided, it is no one's fault. Jon just did not bring enough to the table. His fan base and viewer-ship are just not large enough. He does not bring in enough TV sets and money. It does not matter if he did not deserve it.
Trust me Jon understands this. Very fitting.

ahhhh...I think you missed his point.

 

[cysocool]

How can so many of us that listened to the exact same morning radio show have such a different perception/prespective?

I was ready to stop posting tonight then you had to say this. Next year when you have to hear jon and the rest of kxno talk about how much more important the Nebraska rivalry is than ISU- I'll look for your post. Get ready because next summer and fall, jon and kxno will make us sick with the Nebraska rivalry talk. It'll make us wish back big 10 expansion talk...

 

[GeneralHouston]

ahhhh...I think you missed his point.

Speaking of missing a point.

 

[capitalcityguy]

I was ready to stop posting tonight then you had to say this. Next year when you have to hear jon and the rest of kxno talk about how much more important the Nebraska rivalry is than ISU- I'll look for your post. Get ready because next summer and fall, jon and kxno will make us sick with the Nebraska rivalry talk. It'll make us wish back big 10 expansion talk...

Their job isn't to falsely report stuff to stroke our egos.

I heard all that Big Ten talk and didn't like a lot of it because of what it meant for ISU. But it was still valid discussion and so too is the discussion on how big the NE vs Iowa rivalry will become.

I guess I'm not the type to avoid things in life that aren't pleasant to hear. Censoring the discussion doesn't make issues any less true.

 

[capitalcityguy]

Speaking of missing a point.

Reconfirmed.

 

[Cysrevenge]

Stay classy. The guy just lost his job.

 

[67CY]

I'm not going to go so far as to say that Jon does not have a personality, but I agree with your sentiment here. On Miller & Deace, Jon's role was pretty specific. He was the "everyman" that Deace was imparting his knowledge on. Jon typically would start a segment by putting forth his point of view, which was generally pretty safe/conventional, and then Deace would spend 15 minutes blowing holes in it with his "massive intellect."

It worked.

But at the BTN, he doesn't have Deace, so he has to tread water on his own. The ensuing results speak to how well that worked out.

Maybe Jon's good old buddy Deacer can find a spot for him on his WHO show.

 

[cysocool]

Their job isn't to falsely report stuff to stroke our egos.

I heard all that Big Ten talk and didn't like a lot of it because of what it meant for ISU. But it was still valid discussion and so too is the discussion on how big the NE vs Iowa rivalry will become.

I guess I'm not the type to avoid things in life that aren't pleasant to hear, but are none-the-less true. l.

Thanks for clarifying that you have no idea what your talking about.

kxno isn't in the reporting business, you see reporting is when a professional Journalist reports facts from sources that confirm what they're reporting. Sports radio is something completely unlike that...

 

[GeneralHouston]

Their job isn't to falsely report stuff to stroke our egos.

I heard all that Big Ten talk and didn't like a lot of it because of what it meant for ISU. But it was still valid discussion and so too is the discussion on how big the NE vs Iowa rivalry will become.

Another point missed.
If you really think reporting on the conference realignment situation in a different manner than the local media did is stroking ISU's ego, you are exactly the naive, impressionable listener taz is talking about.

Ignoring the malicious bias and tone of many local hacks (which is quite large) if the local media is simply going to repeat the cursory, 5 second outlook on a issues, it will fail as a business. What they could have done:

-report what it means to the state and central iowa economically to have ISU in a major conference (millions in tax revenue and spending)
-why all tax payers in the state should would want the power brokers in Iowa to support (meaningless or not) to get ISU in getting into the CIC
-what ISU brings to a conference, not what it does not (problem is they honestly think it brings nothing)
-how lucky Iowa is that it is already in the Big 10, and if realignment based soley on TV sets becomes universal, could be in trouble
-The Big East option
-Not celebrating the demise of the Big 12, especially considering it is still here

 

[Palmer]

Sorry to hear about that. Hope Jon returns to the radio....preferred at the 4pm hour.

 

[michaelrr1]

Stay classy. The guy just lost his job.

You're asking an awful lot out of some people who are safely hidden behind their computers.

 

[kingcy]

Maybe Jon's good old buddy Deacer can find a spot for him on his WHO show.

Isnt he already the sports director at WHO? He does do the sports on WHO.

 

[GeneralHouston]

You're asking an awful lot out of some people who are safely hidden behind their computers.

The "safety" of an anonymous message board was not the catalyst behind the BTN telling Jon he was not good enough at his job. In fact, I am guessing they enough did it person. I would have no problems doing the same.

 

[Frak]

ISU fans ripping on the BTN while their team has a hard time getting on the air. FoxSportsNet is a joke. The production value of FSN is a joke. Other conferences laughed at the BTN, but it is very profitable, allows the schools to be televised nationwide, and supply money to the schools.

I feel for Jon because if he had a cohost that had any sort of personality, it would have worked. Also, the constant changes the BTN threw at it didn't allow them to get their feet set.

Bottomline is the BTN works and those that rip on it are either oblivious or jealous.

Actually, ISU has been on the air every week, thank you. You won't see me rip on the BTN as far as game production or revenue generation. It's very good at both. I just find it laughable that a network that only a small (and dying) portion of the country cares about is able to destroy college sports as we know it. I mean, here is a network that millions of people pay every month for basically for 8-12 three hour segments a year. That's like paying for Showtime just to watch Dexter if the channel showed infomercials the rest of the time. They obviously have a successful business model, I just find it to be a joke that something has so much power with so little substance.

As for Jon, he still has his day job, so I don't feel all that bad for him. You're probably just upset that he can't spread the hokeye gospel to the hundreds of BTN viewers.

 

[Al_4_State]

Another point missed.
If you really think reporting on the conference realignment situation in a different manner than the local media did is stroking ISU's ego, you are exactly the naive, impressionable listener taz is talking about.

Ignoring the malicious bias and tone of many local hacks (which is quite large) if the local media is simply going to repeat the cursory, 5 second outlook on a issues, it will fail as a business. What they could have done:

-report what it means to the state and central iowa economically to have ISU in a major conference (millions in tax revenue and spending)
-why all tax payers in the state should would want the power brokers in Iowa to support (meaningless or not) to get ISU in getting into the CIC
-what ISU brings to a conference, not what it does not (problem is they honestly think it brings nothing)
-how lucky Iowa is that it is already in the Big 10, and if realignment based soley on TV sets becomes universal, could be in trouble
-The Big East option
-Not celebrating the demise of the Big 12, especially considering it is still here

I agree with this. There's no way around it: the dude was openly rooting for ISU's demise, and not looking at objective, factual reasons as to why this whole thing might actually turn out ok.

If someone wants to mock what happened at BTN, who cares? It's not like he's going on welfare and his kids are going hungry.

 

[tazclone]

Their job isn't to falsely report stuff to stroke our egos.

I heard all that Big Ten talk and didn't like a lot of it because of what it meant for ISU. But it was still valid discussion and so too is the discussion on how big the NE vs Iowa rivalry will become.

I guess I'm not the type to avoid things in life that aren't pleasant to hear. Censoring the discussion doesn't make issues any less true.

Exactly andd yet, they were falsely reporting stuff and they were censoring the discussion. Did you once hear them discuss the Big East option? Once? No. They didn't even gloss over it. They ignored it. It was a valid report verified by the commissioner of the Big East. They knew about it during and after the conference talk.
They ignored it!!!

 

[tazclone]

I think you need to step away from the ledge because 99% of people don't put anywhere near the stock you do in this guy's opinions. Miller & Deace was listenable sports talk radio that centered heavily on local college football. Nothing less and definitely nothing more. I for one would welcome his return to my podcast rotation and think it sucks that he left his show for an opportunity that didn't pan out for him.

But you're right, I am sure that JP and Geoffrey have spent many sleepless nights sweating Jon Miller and Matt Perrault's one man guerilla campaigns to bring down a 150+ year old state institution. At their WORST they are just arrogant blowhards, and
I don't think Jon is even that.

I don't think people listen to them and believe their opinion all that much. But what I do know is repeated info everyday makes an impact. That is called advertising and marketing and trillions of dollars are spent on it every year.

I will ask you on question....how many people do you know, knew we had a Big East offer if the Big 12 blew up? I know Cyclone fans that still don't know this. I have never met one person that knew this. Not one. Yet, it was reported by a respectable reporter from the Washinton Times during the conference realignment talk. The Big East commissioner came out and verified it as well.

Why is it, nobody in Iowa, including ISU fans and many on this board have a clue that we would have remained in a BCS conference? Why is it everyone stated Conference USA. I have never heard anyone discuss the two most likely conferences MWC and Big East. It is because the local media like talk radio only mentioned Conference USA. That is it and that was for their pleasure.

And if some jackarse wants to cheer and falsely lead the cheering because he wants us to fail, then I don't feel one bit sorry when he falls on his face. He doesn't belong on radio and he most definitely does not belong on TV.

 

[tazclone]

I don't think he ever rubbed it in anyone's face, he just had no faith that ISU would pull through it in a positive fashion. There is a difference, and a LOT of people on this board had the same opinion.

A lot of people would have felt better about a Big East invite but jon did not discuss that now did he? A lot of people on this board still don't know about the Big East invite. That is my biggest issue. I could do three segments on why the Big East was good for ISU and ISU was good for the Big East.

I lived in Denver for a while and you have a similar situation. CU is the big game in town as far as college sports and CSU is the little guy. Amazingly, the local media could garner respect for CSU. There was not a lot of talk but when CSU had a big game, it was talked about and CSU was not treated like a red headed step child.

Take matty and the Utah game. He can get up on his soap box about the lack of attendance for Utah but did anyone on KXNO do a legit breakdown of that game last week? Was there any discussion other than haveing one interview. When it is convenient for them to make an argument, "It was a top ten team after a great win and they couldn't fill the satdium" they discuss the topic but they did nothing for coverage prior to the game. Nothing.

I don't expect the local media to spend equal time on ISU as iowa. The market doesn't even come close to demading that. Nor do I think they should ignore the bad. What they should do is report fairly and not cheer for the demise of a program. And if they do openly cheer for the demise of the program then I don't care if they get canned.
Jon is not good radio and if people think he is then they are missing out and only think that because choices are limited

 

[tazclone]

Good call taz.
MNCyGuy, nice work backing up taz's point.

Well played. People like MNCyGuy don't get that the reason they had little faith in ISU landing in a BCS conference is due to the fact that guys like jon failed to report the most likely option ISU had if the Big 12 failed. And yes, the Big East was the most likely option. jon knew ISU had the Big East option yet everyday, all he mentioned was Conference USA. Not one discussion on how the Big East would be in MBB, WBB, or how the dividions would split. Not a murmur.