ISU vs Baylor Post Game Thread

Did it matter either way? Outcome was the same. Cant hurt to try.

I disagree. Having Jiri in there down low at the end of the game could have made a HUGE difference. Players like him step up at times like that. Even though he hadn't done much throughout the game (which wasn't his fault due to fouls and poor guard play) he has more of a chance of stepping up big and making an impact than CJ does.
 
I disagree. Having Jiri in there down low at the end of the game could have made a HUGE difference. Players like him step up at times like that. Even though he hadn't done much throughout the game (which wasn't his fault due to fouls and poor guard play) he has more of a chance of stepping up big and making an impact than CJ does.


How many minutes at the end are we talking here?
 
Hey, now, let's not get too chippy here!:smile:

I don't think CJ or the lack of Jiri and Rahshon down the stretch lost us this game. It was turnovers, most of them mental errors.

I don't think it cost us the game either, but I do think it could have helped. IMO I just don't think it was a good idea.
 
About 5-6. At the crunch time when we were only down by 10 and still had time to come back.

I do have to say that last five minutes went by incredibly fast. Its hard to tell what a good idea would have been. I felt Jiri was pretty non-existent in that last portion. I didnt even realize he wasnt there until CJ airballed his jumper from 8-10 ft out.
 
All I know is Gmac has 246 more wins than I do at this point in our careers, so I am gonna trust him on this one. :yes:

No offense, but I hate when people use that excuse. He's a coach so he knows? Lots of D-1 coaches would have made different decisions than Mac did, so does that mean they would have been wrong? Just because he's a coach doesn't mean he makes the right decisions ALL the time. I think he's a good coach, but I just think that was a bad decision. Just like all these people on here who keep questioning Haluska's minutes, they obviously don't agree with Mac's decision to keep playing him so much. And I'm sure there are a lot of other D-1 coaches who wouldn't be!
 
No offense, but I hate when people use that excuse. He's a coach so he knows? Lots of D-1 coaches would have made different decisions than Mac did, so does that mean they would have been wrong? Just because he's a coach doesn't mean he makes the right decisions ALL the time. I think he's a good coach, but I just think that was a bad decision. Just like all these people on here who keep questioning Haluska's minutes, they obviously don't agree with Mac's decision to keep playing him so much. And I'm sure there are a lot of other D-1 coaches who wouldn't be!

That may have been a cop-out on my part, but it was just my way of saying we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
I do have to say that last five minutes went by incredibly fast. Its hard to tell what a good idea would have been. I felt Jiri was pretty non-existent in that last portion. I didnt even realize he wasnt there until CJ airballed his jumper from 8-10 ft out.

I don't think anyone (except Craig) played well, so it might not have made a difference...All I know it that game was VERY frustrating to watch! :skeptical:
 
I don't think anyone (except Craig) played well, so it might not have made a difference...All I know it that game was VERY frustrating to watch! :skeptical:

I agree with you there! :wink:
 
I think one (of many) issues that ISU has is that the Clones don't have a "run breaker". When the opposition starts to put a run on, you need a guy who can draw a foul and get to the line for FTs. That could be a guard who can take his man off the dribble, penetrate and get up a decent shot and draw contact/foul, or a post player who can make a strong move to the hoop and draw contact/foul.

That stops the flow of the game, disrupts the opposition momentum, and gives you a chance to score points. IMO, Hubalek and Clark, the seniors, should be the ones trying to get to the line during those runs. Unfortunately, I don't think Hubalek has strong enough post moves to do it in the Big 12, and ISU doesn't seem to run many plays for Clark.

This sort of thing, where ISU is up in the second half and then gives up a big run to the other team has happened several times this year. ISU has got to get better at breaking up those big runs.

ISU only shot 12 FTs...got to find a way to get that up around 20. Unfortunately, I don't think ISU has the personnel to do that in the Big 12 right now...
 
I think one (of many) issues that ISU has is that the Clones don't have a "run breaker". When the opposition starts to put a run on, you need a guy who can draw a foul and get to the line for FTs. That could be a guard who can take his man off the dribble, penetrate and get up a decent shot and draw contact/foul, or a post player who can make a strong move to the hoop and draw contact/foul.

That stops the flow of the game, disrupts the opposition momentum, and gives you a chance to score points. IMO, Hubalek and Clark, the seniors, should be the ones trying to get to the line during those runs. Unfortunately, I don't think Hubalek has strong enough post moves to do it in the Big 12, and ISU doesn't seem to run many plays for Clark.

This sort of thing, where ISU is up in the second half and then gives up a big run to the other team has happened several times this year. ISU has got to get better at breaking up those big runs.

ISU only shot 12 FTs...got to find a way to get that up around 20. Unfortunately, I don't think ISU has the personnel to do that in the Big 12 right now...

Excellent point...we don't have a well-defined "go-to" guy in these situations. One that at the very least will stop momentum and get to the line.
 
I think one (of many) issues that ISU has is that the Clones don't have a "run breaker". When the opposition starts to put a run on, you need a guy who can draw a foul and get to the line for FTs. That could be a guard who can take his man off the dribble, penetrate and get up a decent shot and draw contact/foul, or a post player who can make a strong move to the hoop and draw contact/foul.

That stops the flow of the game, disrupts the opposition momentum, and gives you a chance to score points. IMO, Hubalek and Clark, the seniors, should be the ones trying to get to the line during those runs. Unfortunately, I don't think Hubalek has strong enough post moves to do it in the Big 12, and ISU doesn't seem to run many plays for Clark.

This sort of thing, where ISU is up in the second half and then gives up a big run to the other team has happened several times this year. ISU has got to get better at breaking up those big runs.

ISU only shot 12 FTs...got to find a way to get that up around 20. Unfortunately, I don't think ISU has the personnel to do that in the Big 12 right now...

I agree! They need to run more plays for Clark! :wink:
 
Lets just get Mizzou and Okie St and start off 2-1 in the big 12 nad 12-6 overall. I like that idea.
 
Coach Mac and his staff had one week to insert a game plan, and did a fantastic job. If the players follow it we win this Basketball Game, it is that simple. We were supposed to take the air out of the ball, value each possesion, make smart and conseravtive passes, do not try and do to much, you can not win the game by yourself, play good team defense, crash the boards, pass up good shots for a better shot....

Some players get carried away in the emotion of the game and that is certainly understandable, but if they follow what they practiced they wiould have won.....

Two 5 minutes strecthes hurt us at the begining of the game, and begining the 16 minute mark in the 2nd half....

You need your leaders in the game, but they need to not turn the ball over, not just take the open shot with the lead in the 1st 10 seconds of the shot clock, and move you feet play defense and box out on rebounds...

I'm sure Coach Mac will take some responsiblilty for this loss, but his game plan if followed would have won this one....

When the players get what he is teaching (they are close) and continue to give the effort they gave tonite, play with the right emotion and eliminate mistakes, it is going to be fun to watch....

Tonite made me mad (sad)....We should have won this Game!
 
I disagree. Having Jiri in there down low at the end of the game could have made a HUGE difference. Players like him step up at times like that. Even though he hadn't done much throughout the game (which wasn't his fault due to fouls and poor guard play) he has more of a chance of stepping up big and making an impact than CJ does.

I definitely agree with this. Jiri always plays much better later in the game. It seems like every time we get it down low to Jiri, he makes things happen. The problem is that sometimes he doesn't have post position, but the other problem is that the guards are too worried about getting the ball stolen that they miss the opportunities to get it down low.
 
This game reminded me to ask -- anyone know what the latest status is on the recruitment of Tyrone Appleton?

I think it's clear that, even if Buckley is solid at PG, that ISU really needs another PG to handle the Big 12 level competition. I can see why we're after him. We don't have a Big 12 talent-level PG.

I'd say it's fairly certain that Big 12 teams are going to apply extreme pressure to whomever brings the ball up the court from this point on. Everybody who's watched our game tape from this year will see this as a very effective way to break us down.
 
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If this team ever plays 40 mins of good ball they will win a lot of games. No team can play 5 mins of really bad basketball a half and win. The players that have been on the road in Big 12 games needed to step up, but only 1 of them was in double figures, that has to change. Games like this show why you need experence at the PG, if you have that Baylor doesnt get 5 steals in a row and go on a 20 to 2 run (or whatever it was). Yes I wonder why some players even get asked to suit up.
 
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