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I'm sure it's been said on this thread several times but I'm not scrolling through 70+ pages to verify...

The thing that bugs me most is you know college athletes at every college in every state are betting on sports. It just happens that the Iowa DCI and Iowa Racing and Gaming Commission are actually investigating and charging ours. Do you think Alabama, Georgia, USC, Texas, or Clemson would ever get investigated by their respective State agencies??
 
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psycln11 said:
I'm sure it's been said on this thread several times but I'm not scrolling through 70+ pages to verify...

The thing that bugs me most is you know college athletes at every college in every state are betting on sports. It just happens that the Iowa DCI and Iowa Racing and Gaming Commission are actually investigating and charging ours. Do you think Alabama, Georgia, USC, Texas, or Clemson would ever get investigated by their respective State agencies??
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It's been mentioned many times, but those states don't have legal sports betting.
 
iahawks said:
Armand Bruce basically threw games because he bet the under and was a starting WR that can have a direct impact on such a thing.
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I've seen nothing about him point shaving or deliberately performing poorly on the field to fix games.

I'm not condoning betting on one's team in any way. But in this case or Lee's case with ISU, there's no evidence they were involved in any point shaving scheme or tanking their performance.

The bets they placed were nominal, so it's not like they had tens of thousands riding on Cy-Hawk or something.
 
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Kind of makes you wonder about the nature of the original complaint to DCI. If someone said something to the effect of, "Hey some people at X organization are doing Y illegal activity that they are uniquely and specifically not allowed to do as members of X organization." Then what?

Is it normal for for DCI to have carte blanche investigative authority over every member of X organization for a vague non-specific complaint(s)? Seems kind of like a drag-net 4th amendment type thing if that's the case.

Did the Casinos turn them in? Where they all using the same app? Is this a terms and conditions thing or did the players sign their right to privacy away when it comes to gambling specifically with their scholarship or something? Was there a mole on the inside compiling evidence? Or was every player who is caught up on this thing named specifically and they are the only ones that have been investigated this entire time?

Are you still reading this? Does anybody care? Why does Brian Ferentz still have a job? What size are TJ's shirts anyways. How many bathrooms are in that tiny press box? The over/under has to be at one, right?
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Preach brother, preach.

But seriously you bring up some good questions regarding the DCI. I don't know the whole story of their investigation, but it looks like they targeted football players primarily, which seems kind of problematic.

It's kind of like having a DUI/OWI checkpoint but only ticketing 20 somethings instead of everyone.

It's one thing if this was a huge point shaving thing with large amounts bet per game, involving people outside the program, etc. But it's not.

If you break down total amounts bet and games bet on, it looks like most of these bets were like around $10-$20 more or even less too. Not exactly earth shattering revelations.
 
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acoustimac said:
Don’t blame the DCI for doing their jobs. That’s like saying the police should only pay attention to enforcing some laws and ignoring the rest.
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houjix said:
It's almost getting to the point that someone needs to compile a FAQ to stop the "Why does DCI hate ISU and what about Alabama?" type of posts.
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Discretion is the better part of valor, and we all know law enforcement exercises discretion on a routine basis based on all sorts of contextualizing factors, priorities, objectives, budgets, safety concerns etc. The law may be black and white. Nobody here honestly thinks the law is applied in practice this way, except many here are perfectly comfortable, maybe even enjoy seeing it applied as black and white in this one instance. I wonder why?

Kevin Dresser called it a witchhunt. Dekkers attorney called the investigation politicized. Even Kkkirk pointed out how things have changed and talked about the "opportunity right now for a lot better education proces." Essentially saying everything prior to Gamblegate was bound to fail.

Well I'm convinced. Everything here is black and white, DCI was just doing their job, and a big congratulatory pat on the back is due all around for all involved.
 
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Clone95 said:
That shows you're looking for the negative because the actions of a couple players during a short period of time carries more weight with you than dozens of players over 4 or 5 years.
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And you're minimizing. Per the front page article on this very site:

"A couple" = multiple
"short period of time" = dating back to 2021
 
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Discretion is the better part of valor, and we all know law enforcement exercises discretion on a routine basis based on all sorts of contextualizing factors, priorities, objectives, budgets, safety concerns etc. The law may be black and white. Nobody here honestly thinks the law is applied in practice this way, except many here are perfectly comfortable, maybe even enjoy seeing it applied as black and white in this one instance. I wonder why?

Kevin Dresser called it a witchhunt. Dekkers attorney called the investigation politicized. Even Kkkirk pointed out how things have changed and talked about the "opportunity right now for a lot better education proces." Essentially saying everything prior to Gamblegate was bound to fail.

Well I'm convinced. Everything here is black and white, DCI was just doing their job, and a big congratulatory pat on the back is due all around for all involved.
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Well, affected people didn't like the investigation. Guess they did this one wrong.
 
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RezClone said:
Discretion is the better part of valor, and we all know law enforcement exercises discretion on a routine basis based on all sorts of contextualizing factors, priorities, objectives, budgets, safety concerns etc. The law may be black and white. Nobody here honestly thinks the law is applied in practice this way, except many here are perfectly comfortable, maybe even enjoy seeing it applied as black and white in this one instance. I wonder why?

Kevin Dresser called it a witchhunt. Dekkers attorney called the investigation politicized. Even Kkkirk pointed out how things have changed and talked about the "opportunity right now for a lot better education proces." Essentially saying everything prior to Gamblegate was bound to fail.

Well I'm convinced. Everything here is black and white, DCI was just doing their job, and a big congratulatory pat on the back is due all around for all involved.
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I don't know how many times this has to be said.

IT WASN'T THE DCI PULLING SOME GOTCHA ON ATHLETES!

A condition of the book's license is reporting suspicious activity to the DCI. Something in the book's software detected suspicious activity and they reported it. Period. End of story. This is something that happens every day and nobody knows or cares a thing about it. This just happens to be a high profile instance. There are literally billions of dollars on the line for the book and you're just simply not going to pull one over on them.

These kids got what they deserved. FAFO.
 
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1UNI2ISU said:
I don't know how many times this has to be said.

IT WASN'T THE DCI PULLING SOME GOTCHA ON ATHLETES!

A condition of the book's license is reporting suspicious activity to the DCI. Something in the book's software detected suspicious activity and they reported it. Period. End of story. This is something that happens every day and nobody knows or cares a thing about it. This just happens to be a high profile instance. There are literally billions of dollars on the line for the book and you're just simply not going to pull one over on them.

These kids got what they deserved. FAFO.
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Unfortunately some article or tweet about this used the word "sting" to sensationalize the whole thing. As soon as some people get that idea stuck in their head, we get bombarded by conspiracy theorists.
 
houjix said:
Unfortunately some article or tweet about this used the word "sting" to sensationalize the whole thing. As soon as some people get that idea stuck in their head, we get bombarded by conspiracy theorists.
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Nope. Fully understand how DCI was alerted. Not a conspiracy theorist. Neither are the other people saying the stuff you don't like.
 
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