ISU Gambling Megathread

Discretion is the better part of valor, and we all know law enforcement exercises discretion on a routine basis based on all sorts of contextualizing factors, priorities, objectives, budgets, safety concerns etc. The law may be black and white. Nobody here honestly thinks the law is applied in practice this way, except many here are perfectly comfortable, maybe even enjoy seeing it applied as black and white in this one instance. I wonder why?

Kevin Dresser called it a witchhunt. Dekkers attorney called the investigation politicized. Even Kkkirk pointed out how things have changed and talked about the "opportunity right now for a lot better education proces." Essentially saying everything prior to Gamblegate was bound to fail.

Well I'm convinced. Everything here is black and white, DCI was just doing their job, and a big congratulatory pat on the back is due all around for all involved.
Count me as one of those strange people that despite getting a warning speeding a couple times that thinks that law enforcement picking and choosing what they pursue is a bad thing.

Bottom line is once these got to the DCI and even if they dropped the legal action, I'd suspect that a complaint is in the public record, and is going to get out. And that would include the fact that ISU players bet on ISU games. Even if the criminal cases were never pursued, those players' careers at ISU would be over, and rightly so.

It's not a witchhunt. It's simply the fact that there's a trigger (legal obligation of the books operating in Iowa) for the gambling to be exposed. Dresser not understanding this doesn't change it.
 
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Count me as one of those strange people that despite getting a warning speeding a couple times that thinks that law enforcement picking and choosing what they pursue is a bad thing.

Bottom line is once these got to the DCI and even if they dropped the legal action, I'd suspect that a complaint is in the public record, and is going to get out. And that would include the fact that ISU players bet on ISU games. Even if the criminal cases were never pursued, those players' careers at ISU would be over, and rightly so.

It's not a witchhunt. It's simply the fact that there's a trigger (legal obligation of the books operating in Iowa) for the gambling to be exposed. Dresser not understanding this doesn't change it.

Great. Now let’s see this type of investigation in the other 30 states
 
The fair question is if bad outcomes can happen in a 5 star culture? Of course they can, but they happen in spite of the culture, not because of it.
Are you claiming that these gambling issues were not in spite of the culture, i.e. that they happened because of the culture? If so, please hold forth and substantiate.
 
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Count me as one of those strange people that despite getting a warning speeding a couple times that thinks that 1) law enforcement picking and choosing what they pursue is a bad thing.

Bottom line is once these got to the DCI and even if 2) they dropped the legal action, I'd suspect that a complaint is in the public record, and is going to get out. And that would include the fact that ISU players bet on ISU games. Even if the criminal cases were never pursued, those players' careers at ISU would be over, and rightly so.

It's not a witchhunt. It's simply the fact that there's a trigger (legal obligation of the books operating in Iowa) for the gambling to be exposed. 3) Dresser not understanding this doesn't change it.
1) The frustrating and messy truth is that sometimes it is bad and sometimes it isn't.

2) Fair enough. They could have also just said 'thank you for fulfilling your obligation to report, we'll look into it when we can.' Then stick it toward the bottom of the pile and keep the heavy hitters on more pressing matters.
Maybe by then New Jersey becomes the scapegoat because Rutgers has to be cashing unders like clockwork. Just kidding, you make a good point and I don't disagree with it. The players shouldn't have done it, I don't think anyone is arguing that. It was dumb.

3) You watch how you talk about the Pride of Humboldt. :jimlad:
 
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My friends kid went to Pedo State and his roommate was the place kicker. After he kicked the winning field goal they went to some donors party. Everyone who came up and shook his hand palmed him a 100$ bill. Walked out with over 2,000$ Stuff been going on forever will continue.
 
It's been mentioned many times, but those states don't have legal sports betting.
Ohio has legal sports betting, but Im going to assume non of the tOSU players gamble b/c that story wont surface here. If it did, it’ll be some “cannon fodder” players, never their starting qb and rb. This story won’t play out at any blue blood school like it will for us.

Im not saying they’re wrong either. Kick them off the team and eliminate their eligibility for gambling on their own sport. They had to know the rules and blew it over some small time bets, monumentally stupid moves on their part.
 
1) The frustrating and messy truth is that sometimes it is bad and sometimes it isn't.

2) Fair enough. They could have also just said 'thank you for fulfilling your obligation to report, we'll look into it when we can.' Then stick it toward the bottom of the pile and keep the heavy hitters on more pressing matters.
Maybe by then New Jersey becomes the scapegoat because Rutgers has to be cashing unders like clockwork. Just kidding, you make a good point and I don't disagree with it. The players shouldn't have done it, I don't think anyone is arguing that. It was dumb.

3) You watch how you talk about the Pride of Humboldt. :jimlad:
I don’t like it either, and most of the gambling stuff to me seems unimportant and not how I would spend LE resources. But you can’t turn a blind eye when guys are betting on games they are playing in, which the case for some of these guys. I get that doesn’t include Paniro, but going after guys that bet on their own games is the furthest thing from a witch hunt.
 
My friends kid went to Pedo State and his roommate was the place kicker. After he kicked the winning field goal they went to some donors party. Everyone who came up and shook his hand palmed him a 100$ bill. Walked out with over 2,000$ Stuff been going on forever will continue.
Cash is hard to trace.
 
I don’t like it either, and most of the gambling stuff to me seems unimportant and not how I would spend LE resources. But you can’t turn a blind eye when guys are betting on games they are playing in, which the case for some of these guys. I get that doesn’t include Paniro, but going after guys that bet on their own games is the furthest thing from a witch hunt.
I don’t understand at all the people who are mad that this is only happening in the state of Iowa. If there is going to be a law, it should be enforced. If you are tipped off to a law being broken, you should look into it.

You can disagree with their being the law, you can wish other states looked into it too, you can wish the players hadn’t done it, but I don’t see how you can disagree with what was done. Especially since it’s not like one of our schools was looked at and one wasn’t. Players from both of our major universities were caught…and I have no problem with them not being able to play football again.
 
Free Will.

Campbell can pound his culture into kids. But he only has so much influence. A kids parent's culture impacts that student-athlete's actions. Society impact a person's actions. Iowa State's culture impacts it's student lives.

To put the blame entirely on Campbell is ignoring that student athletes are more than athletes.

But, it should be a wake up call for Coach Campbell and Jamie Pollard that ISU needs to do more. It shouldn't be tough when senior leaders might never play a sport they love again.


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Ohio has legal sports betting, but Im going to assume non of the tOSU players gamble b/c that story wont surface here. If it did, it’ll be some “cannon fodder” players, never their starting qb and rb. This story won’t play out at any blue blood school like it will for us.

Im not saying they’re wrong either. Kick them off the team and eliminate their eligibility for gambling on their own sport. They had to know the rules and blew it over some small time bets, monumentally stupid moves on their part.

Ohio isn’t a divided state when it comes to football. Everyone wants the Buckeyes to win so everyone keeps their mouths shut. Also they have way better cheaters than the morons in Iowa.
 
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