Iowa State Vs. Iowa

This thread cracks me up - with both fanbases. ISU beats a bowl-qualifying, decent MAC team comfortably (and probably by more than we did), and Iowa stomped a somewhat mediocre EIU team, and we honestly think there's enough here to be making sane judgments? The two teams we played are hardly of an equal caliber, and both teams hardly opened up their playbooks in order to beat their opponents.

Using last season's result is pretty laughable as well - ISU is a different team this year. ISU's players are now a full year into CPR's system, which means they should be a lot more confident in their roles and abilities. Overall, if you look at the games over the last decade, last year's game was an absolute statistical outlier.

I'm not exactly confident in ISU's ability to win on Saturday, but it's certainly not going to be the one-sided bloodbath that it was last year, at least as long as Arnaud doesn't throw the ball to wide-open safeties this year.
 
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This thread cracks me up - with both fanbases. ISU beats a bowl-qualifying, decent MAC team comfortably (and probably by more than we did), and Iowa stomped a somewhat mediocre EIU team, and we honestly think there's enough here to be making sane judgments? The two teams we played are hardly of an equal caliber, and both teams hardly opened up their playbooks in order to beat their opponents.

Using last season's result is pretty laughable as well - ISU is a different team this year. ISU's players are now a full year into CPR's system, which means they should be a lot more confident in their roles and abilities. Overall, if you look at the games over the last decade, last year's game was an absolute statistical outlier.

I'm not exactly confident in ISU's ability to win on Saturday, but it's certainly not going to be the one-sided bloodbath that it was last year, at least as long as Arnaud doesn't throw the ball to wide-open safeties this year.

Statistical outlier? I love how you say don't look at last season's result because they are a different team, but then cite years of statistics to identify an outlier.

Guess what? It wasn't an outlier, Iowa was just that much better and the respective results and records proved it. Iowa State had an "epic" 7-6 season with an Insight bowl win over an unranked 6-6 Minnesota team and Iowa had a 11-2 season with a BCS Orange Bowl win over #9 Georgia Tech.

Iowa returns a vast majority of it's starters from that team, is another year experienced and gets it's best running back this season.
 
Statistical outlier? I love how you say don't look at last season's result because they are a different team, but then cite years of statistics to identify an outlier.

Guess what? It wasn't an outlier, Iowa was just that much better and the respective results and records proved it. Iowa State had an "epic" 7-6 season with an Insight bowl win over an unranked 6-6 Minnesota team and Iowa had a 11-2 season with a BCS Orange Bowl win over #9 Georgia Tech.

Iowa returns a vast majority of it's starters from that team, is another year experienced and gets it's best running back this season.

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Leave it to a Tavern Hok to not know what a statistical outlier is... :biglaugh:
 
Iowa returns a vast majority of its starters from that team, is another year experienced and gets its best running back this season.

Fixed it for you. "It's" is only used as a contraction for it is or it has.
Please, Iowa trolls, use correct grammar and spelling if you're going to come on here!
 
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I listened to about 45 mins of the Hawkeye Koolaid/Cry show after the Iowa game on Sat. J and J were bragging on Iowa like always, but you could tell they were not talking there normal smack ISU's way after the game. It is all most like they are a bit worried about this game.
 
35-3
17-5
15-13
27-17
23-3
17-10
40-21
36-31

Leave it to a Tavern Hok to not know what a statistical outlier is... :biglaugh:

I know exactly what it is, the problem is that you want to use it to put forth the score from last year as some sort of anomaly. In straight statistics, it may be, but when it comes to dealing with Football teams and multiple variables then it is meaningless.

Iowa beat you down last year because they were that much better. It will be the case again this year.
 
I listened to about 45 mins of the Hawkeye Koolaid/Cry show after the Iowa game on Sat. J and J were bragging on Iowa like always, but you could tell they were not talking there normal smack ISU's way after the game. It is all most like they are a bit worried about this game.

They were being polite.
 
I know exactly what it is, the problem is that you want to use it to put forth the score from last year as some sort of anomaly. In straight statistics, it may be, but when it comes to dealing with Football teams and multiple variables then it is meaningless.

Iowa beat you down last year because they were that much better. It will be the case again this year.

You mean like 2005, right?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tF8OwculTA]YouTube - Iowa State v Iowa 2005 Montage[/ame]
 
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They were being polite.

Those two are never polite to ISU when it comes to this game. Loud mouth has been around for a long time and I have never heard him no talk smack towards ISU. Miller wasnt is usual getty self after an Iowa win going into ISU week.
 
One positive thing IMO is if you look at the size of the lines that Iowa was going up against last week. Eastern had 3 starting OL that weigh less than 270 lbs. I know our line is quite bigger Lamaak is 320, Hicks 330 so is KO. AAlvarez is over 300.
 
I'm curious about whether Prater will be adequately close to 100% by game-time against ISU. If so ... that could possibly help Iowa to pull off press coverage on ISU's WRs.

I'm also curious about whether Iowa will be able to get as much pressure on the QB without using blitzes as NIU got using blitzes.

It should be an awfully interesting chess match.

Also, I think that it's worth making the following observations:

1. ISU is in its 2nd full season with Herman as the OC. Thus, the system is being implemented much more smoothly now than it had before. That is a BIG deal.

2. Overall, ISU's O, both personnel-wise and execution-wise will be much better from the '09 season. The latter part overlaps with point 1 to some degree.

3. Iowa's '09 OL had to contend with a bunch of personnel juggling and it definitely impacted the game.

4. Reiff, Vandervelde, Gettis, and Koeppel each saw a good number of reps against ISU. Thus, oddly enough, in many respects ISU's D isn't going to be facing an OL that is all that different from the one they faced last year.

5. This reiterates #1 to some degree, however Arnaud handles the timing within Herman's system much better than before.

6. Stanzi successfully transitioned from a game-manager in '08 to having the whole O flow through him in '09. That transition was a process ... and it had BOTH its ups and downs.

7. Iowa feature inexperienced freshmen RBs in the '09 game. The experience level, for obviously reasons, will be much better for Iowa entering the '10 game.

8. In '09, ISU's D appeared to be much more porous against the run entering "the game." Against a quality NDSU team, they gave up around 5.5 yards per carry (on average). In contrast, against NIU, they only gave up around 4.3 yards per carry. This appears to be a direct reflection of Wally's impact on the D. It is worth noting that NDSU also posed a great threat through the air than NIU posed ... thus, NDSU's balance arguably made them a bit harder to defend.

9. Moeaki entered the game for Iowa with an injured ankle. Consequently, he was primarily used in blocking.

10. Iowa arguably entered the '09 game with a bit more to "prove" because of the near-loss to UNI.

11. The last time Iowa lost to ISU at Kinnick was back in 2002.

12. ISU's D is obviously a lot less experienced now than it was in '09, however, it also arguably runs to the ball better too. I'd also argue that it's probably a faster and more athletic group too.

13. Iowa's DL has become a much more consistent group itself. It is also now capable of taking over games.

14. While Iowa had an excellent cover corner in Spievey, it is also important to note that Prater wasn't able to play against ISU in '09. Instead, Lowe started at that CB spot ... being the 2nd different CB to start in 2 consecutive weeks (Castillo was out with a groin injury). Now, Iowa may not have a Spievey on the roster ... however, it does have 4 guys who own career starts.

15. ISU features a pretty impressive secondary headlined by L. Johnson and Sims. However, the unit lost some veteran talent in Smith and Banks.

..... the list could go on. Feel free to contribute yourself.

Anyhow, my "take" is the following.

- ISU's O is definitely A LOT better now as compared to where it was before last year's game. However, that said, Iowa's D is also better now as compared to where it was before last year's game. I believe that ISU's O is the unit that has made the greater strides overall. However, I also believe that the matchups in the trenches favor Iowa more than they had last year. ISU will score ... however, they'll have to work for their points.

- Iowa's O is definitely A LOT better now as compared to where it was before last year's game. While ISU's D has made legitimate strides in many areas, I am not convinced that is any better than it was last year. And while the unit last year was very opportunistic, it also wasn't terribly impressive. Thus, I see Iowa's O having decent success moving the ball on ISU's D ... enough so that they will likely be able to build a lead and hold on.

- Turnovers and special teams are, as always, an X-factor in a rivalry game like the ISU vs Iowa game. They can be huge players in swinging momentum one way or another ... and whomever owns the momentum the longest in a given game usually wins.
 
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35-3
17-5
15-13
27-17
23-3
17-10
40-21
36-31

Leave it to a Tavern Hok to not know what a statistical outlier is... :biglaugh:

I don't wish to be rude ... but you have to look at WHY the game was an anomaly. The differential in the score primarily reflected the fact that Iowa benefitted from A LOT of turnovers ... and, more importantly, the ISU D couldn't stop Iowa from scoring TDs.

Thus, quite apart from the turnovers, the game certainly would have been A LOT closer ... however, that still wouldn't have changed the difficulty that ISU had scoring ... or the relative ease that Iowa had scoring.

Of course, if we were to "take away" turnovers ... then that would quickly illustrate that ISU's victory over Nebraska was a bit of an outlier too.
 
I don't wish to be rude ... but you have to look at WHY the game was an anomaly. The differential in the score primarily reflected the fact that Iowa benefitted from A LOT of turnovers ... and, more importantly, the ISU D couldn't stop Iowa from scoring TDs.

Thus, quite apart from the turnovers, the game certainly would have been A LOT closer ... however, that still wouldn't have changed the difficulty that ISU had scoring ... or the relative ease that Iowa had scoring.

Of course, if we were to "take away" turnovers ... then that would quickly illustrate that ISU's victory over Nebraska was a bit of an outlier too.

I actually understand that the reason why that game was a statistical anomaly was because Arnaud was throwing to wide open receivers wearing the wrong-colored jerseys and had Arnaud not done that the game would have been much closer. However, you try wasting your proverbial "breath" explaining that logic to NotEss - he's one of you're own, you might be able to convince him that while Iowa did reek of awesomeness that day, ISU gave them a lot of unneeded help that day...
 
I actually understand that the reason why that game was a statistical anomaly was because Arnaud was throwing to wide open receivers wearing the wrong-colored jerseys and had Arnaud not done that the game would have been much closer. However, you try wasting your proverbial "breath" explaining that logic to NotEss - he's one of you're own, you might be able to convince him that while Iowa did reek of awesomeness that day, ISU gave them a lot of unneeded help that day...

I tried to reason with this guy in another thread and just isn't going to happen.
 
The 7 out of 12 argument is as old and tired as the 15 game winning
streak by the hawk fans. If
you wanted to make a "7 out
of 12" argument where does
it stop. Using that same
logic Iowa has won 20 of 27
or 5 of 7. You can twist the
stats in your favor all you
want and use the sample
size you want but when you
really look at it, not that
great of a series. That being
said, I expect the game
Saturday to be competitive if
AA can keep his mistakes
down and dink and dunk
Iowa in the same fashion
Northwestern does. Rhodes
not trying trickery wouldn't hurt either.....
the reason I brought up the 7 out of 12 was because this guy brought up a stat from 30 years ago
 
I actually understand that the reason why that game was a statistical anomaly was because Arnaud was throwing to wide open receivers wearing the wrong-colored jerseys and had Arnaud not done that the game would have been much closer. However, you try wasting your proverbial "breath" explaining that logic to NotEss - he's one of you're own, you might be able to convince him that while Iowa did reek of awesomeness that day, ISU gave them a lot of unneeded help that day...

Yeah ... sorry to say to NotEss ... but the great majority of Arnaud's picks in '09 were due more to poor decision making than due to Hawk "awesomeness." However, I do hope for Iowa to get that many picks in the 2010 game ... only due to "awesomeness" this time ... LOL!
 
It was a perfectly timed...

jmb -

That was on a corner blitz. The issue there was simply recognition. I frankly put that one on Stanzi, he should have seen it and made the requisite adjustment. Usually he recognizes it and simply moves the RB over to that side in order to pick it up.

Stanzi will see it on film and kick himself. Fortunately for the Hawks, most of the heat that was brought on the interior was picked up by the OL or RB. Often the Hawks have problems with the interior stuff ... so that was actually heartening.

and disguised corner blitz, and the perfect call against what Iowa had called on that play. Iowa ran a PA fake to the halfback, and Stanzi had his back to the corner until he had completed the play fake and taken his drop. There was no way he could have seen (and he didn't) the corner blitz until he had already taken his drop. Sometimes the other team gets you, on that sort of high-risk, high-reward play. The corner showed nothing pre-snap, there was nothing Stanzi could have done differently on that play. It's the risk you take when executing a play fake and the QB has his back turned to the defense.
 
LOL this site is great, its going to be a good game either way. But I think that the Cyclones might want it more than the Hawkeyes this year. We have something to prove, where as the Hawks dont.
 

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