Iowa -7 vs ISU

You are so close. Now tell us how many were under the S&C coach that has been at K-State since 2008 and how many national award winners has he had?

Here is a hint Doyle had as many national award winners on one team as the current K-State S&C coach has had total.

2-3 star recruits that were 1st team AA's under Doyle since 2009:

5

Kansas State during that same time frame:

6
 
1st team All Americans under KF/Doyle:

17

1st team All Americans at Kansas State in that same time frame:

21

2-3 star recruits that were 1st team AA's under Doyle since 2009:

5

Kansas State during that same time frame:

6

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You are so close. Now tell us how many were under the S&C coach that has been at K-State since 2008 and how many national award winners has he had?

Here is a hint Doyle had as many national award winners on one team as the current K-State S&C coach has had total.

If K- State was able to out perform Iowa with multiple S&C coaches, perhaps we are overestimating the value that one guy is really bringing to the program...
 

So Doyle gets 11 extra years on Kansas State because Chris Dawson hasn't been there for 20 years?

Look, if you go from when Dawson has been there until now, he is better than Doyle. If you go from when Doyle started and looking at K State as a program K State is better than Doyle. Not complicated
 
Hmmm, I see 2 ISU players on this list and only 1 Hok.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...-no-1-qbs-land-11-spots-in-preseason-top-100/

That should be good for another $50K to Doyle? Wouldn't you agree @Derpycy ?

By my calc it takes ISU about $100K of S&C coach salary to produce an NFL top pick and it takes the Hoks about $750K. And I thought UofI was a business school.

Let’s see if they actually get drafted first. Clone fans were sure Lazard was going t get drafted as well.
 
Hmmm, I see 2 ISU players on this list and only 1 Hok.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...-no-1-qbs-land-11-spots-in-preseason-top-100/

That should be good for another $50K to Doyle? Wouldn't you agree @Derpycy ?

By my calc it takes ISU about $100K of S&C coach salary to produce an NFL top pick and it takes the Hoks about $750K. And I thought UofI was a business school.

Would that make 42 years in a row that Hayden Fry and KF and company had someone drafted? Amazing run.
 
So we can count all of Doyle’s success? Keep moving the goal posts maybe you will get it right.

How was the goalpost moved? You set the measure of success as the ability to elevate 2-3 star recruits to NFL ability. Just running with your angle. Not a bad approach really you just needed to do some more research on how Doyle compares to other S&Cs when measured that way.
 
1st team All Americans under KF/Doyle:

17

1st team All Americans at Kansas State in that same time frame:

21


Does this time frame include the 3 horrific Ron Prince years?

Assuming that it was more than one S&C coach in that timeframe, it suggests that plug-and-play with Hans & Franz at KSU is better than Craig Doyle.
 
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So Doyle gets 11 extra years on Kansas State because Chris Dawson hasn't been there for 20 years?

Look, if you go from when Dawson has been there until now, he is better than Doyle. If you go from when Doyle started and looking at K State as a program K State is better than Doyle. Not complicated

Point is you still can’t find a single S&C coach that has done equal to or better than Doyle at producing 1st Team All-Americans, National Award Winners and NFL talent from 2-3 star recruits.

So what you are left with is moving the goal posts.
 
If you go from when Doyle started and looking at K State as a program K State is better than Doyle.

I never saw the number of 2 and 3 stars for this time period that were turned into AA's by KSU. Can you repost them please?
 
Let’s see if they actually get drafted first. Clone fans were sure Lazard was going t get drafted as well.

Fair enough.

Could certainly be off in either direction as I think Mr. Peavey will have something to say about the list as well.

Let me know what handle you switch to on here and we will look at this again next summer.
 
Fair enough.

Could certainly be off in either direction as I think Mr. Peavey will have something to say about the list as well.

Let me know what handle you switch to on here and we will look at this again next summer.

Are iSu fans so sensitive that they ban anyone who dares to speak outside of what clone fans will accept?
 

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