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IA vs. ISU preview on hawkeyenation

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zenmaster @ 07-07-06 12:38 pm) [post=6684]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
The truth is their D-line is average and the rest of their defense is all new guys. Call me crazy, but I like the chances of our offense against that defense.
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i dont call you crazy at all. It is known fact to us and the knotheads in IC. They just wont admit it. They use the "Your defense isnt experienced" card all the time. And yet when they assess their own team they say "they have a lot of ability and potential and even though they are inexperienced, they will do fine"
 
Thanks alot for that link to the idiot parade. I am now dumber for having visited that site. God, why wouldn't the haaawwwkeyes win the NC?
 
Did anyone else see the season breakdown they had on the front page of HN a few days ago. Jon Miller and his assistant picked the winner of each game and the score. They both had Iowa going 11-1 (7-1) with the only lose at Michigan. Didn't they learn from last year? I fully expect Iowa will to win around 8 to 10 games but saying they will go 11-1 might be a bit to much. Oh well, I guess they will have to learn their lesson again. As much I as love the state of Iowa (and hate it), this state will never win a D-1 NC (GO UNI) and will only have a 11-1 team once every century not once every five years. We just don't have that type of talent in Iowa, but don't tell an Iowa fan that.
 
Think I'll just save this till Iowa game week then send it to the players as if ISU won't be motivated enough.
 
I agree with what most of you are saying. In fact I've been fighting the good fight in that topic. However Iowa's d-line is the real deal. That DE they have will be real good, and Mitch King is their version of Nick Leaders. That DL is solid and it'll take our OL's best effort that day to keep Meyer safe. Play action will be used alot to try and buy Meyer more time.
 
Hawkeye fans will always have a bigger ego than us. It's their type of fan base demographics. We could beat them 20 years straight in football & they will NEVER believe that they're a worse team. They try to downplay this game every year & claim that Illinois or Minnesota or somebody is their biggest rival...then why do they get so worked up when they LOSE?! Being beaten by ISU kills them deep down inside...it's so fun to watch!
 
Every year I think that I can't hate that school and most of the people associated with it any more than I already do, but some how they always find a way.
 
poor hawkeye nation. cheesy forum boards where the sausage fest is held. You'll see me in the rivalry forums
 
Well, let them say what they want... and may the Football Gods glare upon them come gameday
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burn587 @ 07-08-06 1:39 am) [post=6749]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> I agree with what most of you are saying. In fact I've been fighting the good fight in that topic. However Iowa's d-line is the real deal. That DE they have will be real good, and Mitch King is their version of Nick Leaders. That DL is solid and it'll take our OL's best effort that day to keep Meyer safe. Play action will be used alot to try and buy Meyer more time. [/b][/quote]

I agree that Iowa Defense Line is solid, but I'm curious to see how they do against teams with huge offensive lines. There isn't a lot of size on their line, as Kroul and King are like 270. Bain is a monster, but he's not going to be a full time guy. I hope we can run the ball some though, or else that play action is just going to waste time and Meyer should be in the shotgun.
 
huh, thats weird. apparently those squakeyes dont know what theyre talking about.



Wide Receivers/Tight Ends: Loaded. Loaded. Loaded. Besides Texas Tech, there may not be another team in the country with as many weapons at receiver and/or tight end. Junior wideout Todd Blythe (6’5†210) gained 1,000 yards receiving and scored nine touchdowns off of only 51 catches (19.6 ypc). He’s the most dangerous threat. But his danger is a function of the fact that he is not the only threat. Austin Flynn (6’1†200) had more catches last year (56) and Jon Davis (6’4†203) added 41 more. Davis is recuperating from an Achilles injury and will be replaced in the starting lineup by R.J. Sumrall (6’1†195), who had 20 catches last year and brings the athleticism he honed as a high school track star (hurdles, long-jump and triple jump) to the field. Tight ends Walter Nickel and Ben Barkema combined for another 38 catches, 507 yards and four touchdowns last year. Without question, they add additional threats to every coverage scheme.



thats from football.coms preseason rankings. but obviously its a tossup cuz theyre secondary has who?
 
He/she probably has an excuss for ISU's kick ass CY?HAWK Trophy win for 2005-2006.

Let's hear it!!!
 
What bugs me is they seem to forget that they were ranked 8th to begin the year and they ended up 7-5. That is a mediocre season but they justify it being a good year because they went to a January bowl game. What I can't convince them of is that they didn't get to play that game based on what they did on the field. They didn't have a very good team last year and they are still riding high from the Capital One hail mary. It's almost as if they have convinced themselves that last year didn't even happen. When there erections go down from 04 they are going to realize they are back being a middle of the road program that occasionally has a good to great year. They think they are on the brink of a dynasty, yet they nearly lost as much as they won last year. Wow, that was really scattered thinking. There are just so many things that bug me, it is hard to contain everything.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zenmaster @ 07-07-06 11:38 am) [post=6684]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> After reading that preview in HN, I find it hard to believe how a team that good found a way to lose 5 games last year. I wonder what anomalies took place in the Ohio State, Michigan, Northwestern, and Florida games last year that would have made them lose those games.



I bet they lost 5 because of the strength of the Big Ten...nope the national champion was a Big 12 team.



I bet they played a tougher team in their bowl game...nope TCU had a better record and ranking than did Florida



I bet they had more marquee wins last year than Iowa State...nope their opportunities for marquee wins against the best teams in the conference all wound up as Ls



At least they played in a January bowl game again...yeah, because the Big Ten had 3 spots and the school travels well. It had little to do with on-the-field play in which case, Michigan or Northwestern, both who beat them head-to-head, would have been in that January 1 bowl game last year.







The truth is their D-line is average and the rest of their defense is all new guys. Call me crazy, but I like the chances of our offense against that defense.



Their receivers are young and unproven. I'll take Jackson and Singleton every day against that.



Do I wish we had Albert Young? Heck yeah!



Do I wish we had Scott Chandler? Heck yeah although Nickel and Barkema aren't bad.



Do I wish we had Drew Tate? I'll take Meyer. He's not quite the head case.



Do I wish we had Kyle Schlicher? Yup.



All in all, there are not a whole lot of things about their team that I covet. Young, Chandler, and Schlicher are the only real upgrades from our team while I'm sure they wish they had Blythe, Flynn, and Jackson. Because they don't know any better, they do not know the names of Curvey, Moorehead, Mackenzie, Bowen, Carper, Smith, Singleton, Stevenson, Brandt, Zehr, Hamilton, and Sumrall. They will.

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Copied here is my response to that thread....

I've read Tony's other breakdowns, thought all were fair. This one in part is fair - yet I'd be quite shocked if the game was anywhere close to a blow-out - that's looking at it from both sides.

I try to break down a game based on a few things...

1. What happened last year and why?
2. What key players were lost from each side?
3. Any immediate impact new players?
4. Significant coaching/philosophy/playbook changes?


1. What happened last year and why?

We all know the outcome, we all know the ISU defense dominated the game, giving the offense the tools it needed to do enough to win. Why? Who knows. Perhaps Iowa came out flat, maybe ISU just wanted it more. Could it be that ISU was just the better team that day? Tate leaving early have an impact? It could be all/some/none of those things. That one is somewhat subjective. What isn’t is ISU clearly won the game, leaving no doubt.

2. What key players were lost from each side?

- Iowa -

On offense I know the lost WR’s Hinkel, Soloman and center Ferentz. Kirk manufactures offensive lineman like I fill a urinal after a 12 pack – so no concerns there. Except, Iowa did not seem to have that domination on the line last year. Expect that to improve though. The WR position is where many question marks exist. Some young talent there, yet very unproven with exception to Chandler.

On defense, Iowa graduated their two stud linebackers and a pair of very nifty corners. I don’t know much about the guys coming in, but it’s not easy to fill the shoes of Greenway and Hodge. Allan and Johnson won’t be easy to replace either. They’ll be depending on the defensive line to control things until the new guys can adjust

- ISU -

On offense, ISU just graduated one player, an offensive lineman that couldn’t block an 80 year old woman using a walker, let alone D-I defensive linemen. I know I’m supposed to love the ISU and Iowa guys no matter what, but if you watched the first Cyclone offensive play in the bowl game (as just one example), you’d know exactly why I’m a bit miffed with the kid named Egbers. At any rate, everyone else from the offense is back.

Defense is another story. Berryman, Leaders, Robertson, Buchanan, Dobbins, Paris, Moser and Hicks are no longer suiting up for what may have been the best Cyclone defense ever. It’s tough enough when you lose a couple players from a stout defense, losing 8 will be down right nasty. Linebacker will be the least of the worries though, with Carper and Bowen seeing a lot of action last year and MSU transfer McKinzie being highly-touted.

3. Any immediate impact new players?

- Iowa -

This is one area I don’t know much about with Iowa. I know there will be plenty of new faces at the WR position and I’ve heard some good things. Just don’t know much beyond that.

- ISU -

I don’t expect to see many new faces on offense, except possibly at receiver. Strange, eh – being receiver is where their studs are? Well, enter Marquis Hamilton and Euseph Messiah. Polar opposites, Hamilton is a big receiver that commands attention while Messiah is short, but very, very quick. I look for these two to get into the mix, along with sophomore R.J. Sumrall – especially while Davis is recovering from the achilles injury.

Defense is where many new faces will be seen. Young players like Braaksma, Ferguson, Berg, Frere, Taylor and Dale will battle for the two open spots on the line to join Curvey and Moorehead. I think it will be Taylor and Braaksma early, yet we’ll see.

The only new face at linebacker is McKinzie – I really look forward to watching him play. Expect Singleton to be the starting corner opposite Jackson. Safeties look to be James Smith and I think Caleb Berg – could be Jon Banks there instead.

4. Significant coaching/philosophy/playbook changes?

Nope, not really. Both staffs are solid as a rock.


I see nothing but a high-scoring affair. The keys to the game look to be…

1. Can the young ISU defense come together and slow the Iowa offense, mainly the running game?
2. Can Iowa’s new corners match up with the potent ISU passing attack?


Look for a close game in the 30’s or 40’s. That’s all I’m gonna say about that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>On offense, ISU just graduated one player, an offensive lineman that couldn’t block an 80 year old woman using a walker, let alone D-I defensive linemen. I know I’m supposed to love the ISU and Iowa guys no matter what, but if you watched the first Cyclone offensive play in the bowl game (as just one example), you’d know exactly why I’m a bit miffed with the kid named Egbers. At any rate, everyone else from the offense is back.[/b][/quote]

Actually we lost Korey Pence as well who was a good guard. Egbers is no big loss and hopefully Scott Fisher has proven himself enough that we won't have another glaring hole at tackle.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burn587 @ 07-10-06 10:08 pm) [post=6894]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>

Actually we lost Korey Pence as well who was a good guard. Egbers is no big loss and hopefully Scott Fisher has proven himself enough that we won't have another glaring hole at tackle. [/b][/quote]

Ahhh, thanks for that - forgot about Pence.
 
Adding some fuel to the fire...ESPN and BlueRibbon have teamed up to give us some previews for the season. Of course, Iowa was the free preview. Good biased opinion! Anyway, check out the last paragraph.



"Fortunately for them, the schedule provides relief with four likely blowouts before they play host to Ohio State. They'll also miss Penn State and get Wisconsin at home. Ferentz has rebuilt this program to the point where now a New Year's Day bowl game almost feels like a given, and with another dynamite offense and a strong defensive line, the Hawkeyes should be back on national TV again come January"



Ahh gotta love it. Keep piling on the expectations to make it that much sweeter..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dmilty @ 07-11-06 11:23 am) [post=6945]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> Adding some fuel to the fire...ESPN and BlueRibbon have teamed up to give us some previews for the season. Of course, Iowa was the free preview. Good biased opinion! Anyway, check out the last paragraph.



"Fortunately for them, the schedule provides relief with four likely blowouts before they play host to Ohio State. They'll also miss Penn State and get Wisconsin at home. Ferentz has rebuilt this program to the point where now a New Year's Day bowl game almost feels like a given, and with another dynamite offense and a strong defensive line, the Hawkeyes should be back on national TV again come January"



Ahh gotta love it. Keep piling on the expectations to make it that much sweeter..

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I too saw the Blue Ribbon Preview for Iowa and posted it on the Iowa scout.com board. The first replay was...

"Iowa State a blowout? As much as I like the sound of that it probably won't happen."

The majority of Iowa fans know they'll have a game on their hands when ISU visits. It's just that the foolish minority makes more noise.
 
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