Has Haith or Self really done better than Fred?
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It really doesn't matter what he lost. What does matters is what he had to work with this year. Poor Bill only had four four star players and one five star player waiting to step in. I feel real sorry for him.
Allow me to quote some of your fellow posters on this board regarding expectations of KU this season, from this thread and http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/off-topic/121069-mbb-talent-compared-other-big-12-teams.html.
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Wow, KU, you are cool.
I guess I don't understand why you feel the need to come here and defend your favorite team. Do you go to Baylor's sites, or UT sites, etc to tell them how great kansas is at basketball too?
I am one of the people that has always liked Self, I think he is a hell of a coach. This is probably one of the best coaching jobs he has had to do since Tulsa. But that doesn't mean that Fred hasn't done a better job, because he has had to mix and match new parts that weren't recruited together, like all of the ku players.
Haith will win the award for going all Bruce Weber on the conference.
Now, please continue defending your favorite team, it is sadly funny.
I guess I don't understand why you feel the need to come here and defend your favorite team. Do you go to Baylor's sites, or UT sites, etc to tell them how great kansas is at basketball too?
I am one of the people that has always liked Self, I think he is a hell of a coach. This is probably one of the best coaching jobs he has had to do since Tulsa. But that doesn't mean that Fred hasn't done a better job, because he has had to mix and match new parts that weren't recruited together, like all of the ku players.
Haith will win the award for going all Bruce Weber on the conference.
Now, please continue defending your favorite team, it is sadly funny.
I read the thread title as asking for Self's or Haith's COY credentials, and I provided some information. I never said anything bad about Hoiberg. He's done a great job as well.
You have to admit, that video and some of those quotes were a little less than optimistic about KU's chances in the the conference. Anyone saying they were sure KU would win the conference this year is practicing at least a little revisionist history. Hell, prior to the season, I thought Baylor would win it, as you can see in one of those links.
Hit ignore if you don't want to read my posts. It's not hard.
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Actually, as I said I think Self is a great coach. They are never going to be far off the lead in this league as long as he is there. His talent level, while not what it was a year ago, is STILL at the very top of the league.
I never took part in the idea that ku wouldn't win the league, because they are used to winning the league, and you have to be 20 points better than them to even think about winning in Phog, and 10 points better than them to win at home, due to the fascinating officiating that seems to happen in their games. It will always be that way, and so you have to get used to it. But, I was happy seeing mizzu get SCREWED THE **** OVER Saturday.
I really think that is one of the reasons that he "only" has one national championship. They are soooooo protected in this league, that they have real problems playing when there isn't an agenda.
I will say, that if the NCAA were a 2 out of 3 series, they would have won at least two of the last three years. They got caught by a veteran UNI team that was tougher than they were, and VCU, well you know....
It really doesn't matter what he lost. What does matters is what he had to work with this year. Poor Bill only had four four star players and one five star player waiting to step in. I feel real sorry for him.
Who has done more with less?? IMO CFH wins that one easily.
AGREE. Poor Kansas, such a down year. They weren't projected to finish 1st by everyone this year, only the Big 12 coaches had it right... They don't have much talent, but they do have the probable Player of the Year, Robinson. They have only won 8 conference titles in a row. Poor Kansas.
It's not an award for the most improved coach of the year. If it were, the only way to win it would be to do badly one year, and then improve a lot next year. It is not a Mr. Hustle award.
It's simply an award for coach of the year. And wins count. Championships matter. If we started giving it to guys who took their team from number 8 to number 4, guys like Self would never get it.
Not saying that Self or Haith should definitely get it over FH. But if they did, it would not be be the greatest injustice ever.
It's simply an award for coach of the year. And wins count. Championships matter. If we started giving it to guys who took their team from number 8 to number 4, guys like Self would never get it.
Not saying that Self or Haith should definitely get it over FH. But if they did, it would not be be the greatest injustice ever.
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I haven't looked, but I'm pretty sure I picked A&M and Baylor to be 1 and 2, either order. But I also think I picked KU 3rd, Missouri 4th.
I knew KU would still be very good, i just didnt think they would have the depth to get it done. But, 3rd is still pretty high.
No doubt all three coaches have done a great job - I won't be ****** whoever they chose.
I knew KU would still be very good, i just didnt think they would have the depth to get it done. But, 3rd is still pretty high.
No doubt all three coaches have done a great job - I won't be ****** whoever they chose.
Are you saying the entire ISU fanbase has to be on the same page, and have the same perspective on KU??
We better start scheduling conference calls to get our **** together.
We better start scheduling conference calls to get our **** together.
Except Fred had our team close in many, many games. They could have easily won four more games with just a few bounces the right way here and there. TT is getting their *** handed to them nightly.
I think all three coaches have an argument. If I were asked to vote, I would probably pick Haith
Self might get it because his team will probably win the B12, Haith might get it because he's new to the B12 and took on a team that already had a ton of talent. Both had alot of talent to start the year. Think comparing last season to this one CFH deserves the B12 COY by a landslide
All 3 coaches are deserving, but I think post-season needs to be factored in with this voting. There's still a lot of ball to be played, so let's see if Steady Freddy and the boys can earn some awards down the stretch.
Haith stepped into the easiest situation possible. Most posters on this board could coach that team. He will end up getting fired at Mizzou someday, mark my words.
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Amazing job by Self -- I wish it was Freddy but that requires at least 3/4 more wins IMHO --- I expect Freddy to come in 3rd in the voting
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If ISU can win one of the next two games then I think Fred has a very good chance to win it, but it will be hard to beat Haith and Self. I think Haith will win it because no one thought they were going to be a top ten team in the country and they lost Bowers before the season started.
Don't you all feel it's sort of an embarrassment that KU has won for the 8th time in a row?
The B12 is starting to look like C-USA; somebody needs to step up and beat the crap outta KU.
The B12 is starting to look like C-USA; somebody needs to step up and beat the crap outta KU.