Do we want this season to go to hell again? No. There is vocal minority that is largely diva's (the ones you see on this board) that want him gone. But any reasonable person does not want him gone right now.
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I think most people don't want him gone but at the same time they realize that we're trending down and if this pattern continues then he won't be here anymore.
I think the better argument is that Auburn brought Cam Newton and that won them a national title. You take out Newton and Chizik is only (19-19) conference: (7-17). Which i am sure Auburn would consider a failure.
I wouldn’t say people want him gone, but there are lots of legit questions about the lack of offense and maybe stubbornness to adjust quicker.
Chizik also already had the Auburn bagman on speed dial so there was no learning curve there. I remember when he tired to talk Pollard into hiring a "religious mentor" for the players.
They just want to see him not be so stubborn with things HE* has struggled at. (i.e offense, special teams, slow starts, having kind of a meh relaxed attitude in his approach to the cyhawk game).
Its kind of a unstoppable force meets immovable object kind of a thing. The passion in this fanbase is always teetering a fine line with crossing over into cynicism and panic. And because Matt doesn't feel that way, or at least doesn't act like it, the frustration... paired with ISU's long football history ranging from coming up short to abysmal misery... has manifested itself this way mostly because they rightly get the sense that Matt is NOT the type of person to validate/placate our anxiety/fears that go hand in hand with life as a Cyclone fan.
Which is understandable considering not only is he not a fan, but he's just as much of an Outsider to ISU historically as you are, @FriendlySpartan
There's outside perspective, the truth, and the world as ISU fans see it. Sad part is... we always end up being right in the end. Doom and gloom is always just over the horizon. Even the most cynical ones.
EDIT: At our worst, we say some pretty dumb stuff when we're down. The best part about this fanbase is, we're never apathetic and we aren't even THAT hard to please.
We always care. Maybe we care too much. But when we are frustrated when things are not going well, we do want to SEE our coach feel it too (literally and figuratively), whether that is right or wrong or even healthy to want.
Sure, we don't want him to give up or quit, we just want him seem bothered or even miserable when we struggle, and to so badly want to do everything humanly possible to make it right.
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I get the argument that Cam Newton and Gus Malzahn were the real ingredients to a national title there.
But Chizzle was the head coach when they won it. As @intrepid27 points out, Chizik "knew how to win at Auburn" (e.g., had the bagmens' phone numbers already, etc.) and went to work.
You can try to complicate it if you like, but they got a national title out of his tenure. They obviously fired him once Newton was a Panther and Malzahn moved on, but they got something out of it.
That flag will fly forever.
The legacy of the Chizik era in Auburn had its lows... but the "badness" you want might want to try to ascribe to it is pretty limited by the fact Chizik was the head man when they won a natty.
That was the covid year, not sure how that year can really count against the guy when they played 6 games. I am not picking and choosing years to pick from here. Overall Harbaugh has been very successful at Michigan to say that he wasn't is just making crap up. No, he has not won a national championship, but Michigan's glory time in football was the 60's to the 80's under Bo, Carr did no better than Harbaugh is currently doing. The great Michigan years was when it was the Big 2 and everyone else years, where either they or OSU won the title and then would go out to the Rose Bowl and lose every time.
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This. For what he's accomplished, I definitely want to see him turn it around.
It never really happens like that, so my hopes aren't high, but I'm not yearning for his termination yet.
Some tell Stormin that I know such a thing would be a couple years away.
I have reached the point where if Campbell stays great, if he goes, have at it. He is what is, a very good coach, now can he ever reach the point of 9 to 12 win seasons every year? I doubt it at ISU with all our limitations, location, budget, lack of history and the rest.
It would be interesting to see him coaching at a school that did not have limitations like ISU, could he achieve those types of records and become a conference power or just be at that school what he is here, just a very solid coach.
It would be interesting to see him coaching at a school that did not have limitations like ISU, could he achieve those types of records and become a conference power or just be at that school what he is here, just a very solid coach.
Some of us get what you mean here
Now the trip might be worth it
Or you could argue they overpaid for Chizek and paid the right amount for Cam Newton.
What do you guys think? Will MSU be able to avoid paying Tucker his remaining 70 million by firing him for cause?
More than likely attorney's will get heavily involved and there will be a "settlement". How likely will MSU be able to completely renege his contract though?
I'm thinking the same (settlement of some sort) will hold true with Fitzgerald's firing for cause (and his 45 mil due) at NW?
[Sorry if already discussed. Just link me to the answer, if so.]
More than likely attorney's will get heavily involved and there will be a "settlement". How likely will MSU be able to completely renege his contract though?
I'm thinking the same (settlement of some sort) will hold true with Fitzgerald's firing for cause (and his 45 mil due) at NW?
[Sorry if already discussed. Just link me to the answer, if so.]
MSU is a tougher job in the new Big Ten than Iowa State is in the new Big 12
There are 2 things going against Matt Campbell
- Campbell raised the bar for a portion of the fan base. The 2019 & 2020 seasons have become the new expectation. And going 4-8 is hot seat time. Many of those fans didn't experience Dan McCarney's 2 lives as Cyclone coach.
- Coach fatigue is a factor at every school after 8-10 years. Even great coaches like Nick Sabin and Roy Williams become stale for a growing segment of the fanbase.