Guess Who Made The List Of Candidates At MSU

[stewart092284]

I would be willing to chance future schedules being easier to give up playing Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State every year. Sure, you might get the USC, Oregon, Michigan and Penn State schedule every once in a while, but you also may get Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Purdue, NW, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois the next year.

The question for Campbell is MSU really that much better job than ISU, because it's going to be a lot harder to win in this new B10 than it is to win the new B12. Unless the B10 and SEC are each getting 4 to 5 of the 12 playoff teams per year, I am not sure it is. Access to better recruits, more money, but it could also make it harder to win games.

I'm pretty sure the Big 10's already said Michigan-Michigan State is a protected rivalry game so they're not going to miss them. I could be wrong about that but I swear I heard that somewhere.

Big 10 and SEC are going to get 2, maybe 3 in each year IMO in the playoff format. Very outside chance of 4.


Right but the thing is - for the most part, Michigan State's expectations are not astrnomically higher than Iowa States.
We're talking -

winning around 8 regular season games ( call it an increase of 1-2 annually from Iowa State)
Beating primary rival (Iowa State also would like to beat Iowa naturally)
Once in a while challenge for a title (similar)
Don't get run out of the stadium (Similar)


They gave Mel Tucker his massive contract - 10 years , 95 million, when his record was 16-14 where he was 11-2 and had gone 5-12 the other two years, yes, one being the covid year.

So I guess my question is really for CMC -

has he truly done what he thinks he can at Iowa State? And is he ready for a new challenge? Or having built something, does he want the challenge of proving it can stand the test of time?

For me that's what it comes down to. Because the expectations at Sparty aren't insane, you're making probably 1.5-2 million a more yearly at least for a better version of a similar job, are closing to home geographically, etc - there are reasons its an attractive job. There are other reasons its not but its not a bad job at all.

 

[Clark]

What are you talking about, since Harbaugh got to Michigan in 2015 he has gone, 10-3, 10-3, 8-5,10-3, 9-4, 2-4, 12-2 and 13-1. The man just could not beat Ohio State, but to say they stunk is just not true.

lol that's the part you took away from my post after talking out of your ass about Michigan St?

Stunk is a relative term when it comes to Michigan but if what you say is true and the only problem he had was not beating OSU there would be a lot of 1 or two loss seasons in there before 2021 when he turned it around.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

lol that's the part you took away from my post after talking out of your ass about Michigan St?

Stunk is a relative term when it comes to Michigan but if what you say is true and the only problem he had was not beating OSU there would be a lot of 1 or two loss seasons in there before 2021 when he turned it around.

So the reason you are seeing the 3 loss seasons is because he always lost the bowl game and during that time also had a really bad record against sparty. There was a reason many Michigan alumni kinda wanted him gone until he proved he could beat OSU.

 

[Clark]

So the reason you are seeing the 3 loss seasons is because he always lost the bowl game and during that time also had a really bad record against sparty. There was a reason many Michigan alumni kinda wanted him gone until he proved he could beat OSU.

kinda wanted him gone? If not for Covid he would have been gone. Michigan shutting the program down in 2020 saved his job. Ohio State and even worse Iowa would have named the score on Michigan that year to close out the year and he wouldn't have survived it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I'm pretty sure the Big 10's already said Michigan-Michigan State is a protected rivalry game so they're not going to miss them. I could be wrong about that but I swear I heard that somewhere.

Big 10 and SEC are going to get 2, maybe 3 in each year IMO in the playoff format. Very outside chance of 4.


Right but the thing is - for the most part, Michigan State's expectations are not astrnomically higher than Iowa States.
We're talking -

winning around 8 regular season games ( call it an increase of 1-2 annually from Iowa State)
Beating primary rival (Iowa State also would like to beat Iowa naturally)
Once in a while challenge for a title (similar)
Don't get run out of the stadium (Similar)


They gave Mel Tucker his massive contract - 10 years , 95 million, when his record was 16-14 where he was 11-2 and had gone 5-12 the other two years, yes, one being the covid year.

So I guess my question is really for CMC -

has he truly done what he thinks he can at Iowa State? And is he ready for a new challenge? Or having built something, does he want the challenge of proving it can stand the test of time?

For me that's what it comes down to. Because the expectations at Sparty aren't insane, you're making probably 1.5-2 million a more yearly at least for a better version of a similar job, are closing to home geographically, etc - there are reasons its an attractive job. There are other reasons its not but its not a bad job at all.

This is pretty accurate, only thing I would change is 8-9 wins and switching “challenge for a title” with making the playoffs. It’s going to be easier to make the playoffs then win the big ten for sparty.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

kinda wanted him gone? If not for Covid he would have been gone. Michigan shutting the program down in 2020 saved his job. Ohio State and even worse Iowa would have named the score on Michigan that year to close out the year and he wouldn't have survived it.

This is not an inaccurate point. If covid never happened he most likely would have gotten crushed and the talks of being let go would have certainly intensified. I don’t know if he would have actually been fired. Most alumni really like Harbaugh, it’s the Walmart wolverines that wanted him gone. Still it would have been an interesting discussion, but even during the covid year they did lose to a year one sparty squad. Not the same as getting blasted by OSU but 2021 changed the narrative.

 

[stewart092284]

This is pretty accurate, only thing I would change is 8-9 wins and switching “challenge for a title” with making the playoffs. It’s going to be easier to make the playoffs then win the big ten for sparty.

Fair but I don't think its wholly realistic to shoot for the playoffs year in , year out at MSU. I'd say , once every 5-6 years, sure. Because there are too many other good teams and while Michigan State is a good job, I wouldn't say its a top 15-20 job in football, so even with 12 spots, you're leap frogging other schools.

As a neutral observer I'd think if you regularly hit 8 wins, beat Michigan a reasonable amount of the time (2 out of 5 or or 4 outta 10, maybe even 50-50) and win a bowl game regularly, to finish 9-4, occasionally 8-5 and then once every 5 years go 10-3 - history would say that's going to keep you employed for a long time if you keep your nose clean

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Fair but I don't think its wholly realistic to shoot for the playoffs year in , year out at MSU. I'd say , once every 5-6 years, sure. Because there are too many other good teams and while Michigan State is a good job, I wouldn't say its a top 15-20 job in football, so even with 12 spots, you're leap frogging other schools.

As a neutral observer I'd think if you regularly hit 8 wins, beat Michigan a reasonable amount of the time (2 out of 5 or or 4 outta 10, maybe even 50-50) and win a bowl game regularly, to finish 9-4, occasionally 8-5 and then once every 5 years go 10-3 - history would say that's going to keep you employed for a long time if you keep your nose clean

Oh for sure, zero chance they are a regular playoff team. For the playoffs every 3-4 years would be the goal, might not be obtainable but that’s the goal. Regularly hitting 8-9 wins and grabbing the post season win to get to 10 is accurate as well.

Weirdly enough amongst Michigan alums we kinda hate the expanded playoffs because as long as Harbaugh is around it’s essentially a lock unless the schedule is insane with the new pac teams. Kinda makes the regular season pointless to watch like this year is.

 

[Clark]

This is pretty accurate, only thing I would change is 8-9 wins and switching “challenge for a title” with making the playoffs. It’s going to be easier to make the playoffs then win the big ten for sparty.

same for about 12 other programs in the new Big 10, including Ohio State.

What you say is true however that the main goal for about half the league each year will be to make the playoffs. Schools like OSU will have the added goal of getting a first round bye.

It's going to be interesting for coaches at the mid level programs. I think 3 playoff appearances in 10 years would be a pretty good run for most programs.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

lol that's the part you took away from my post after talking out of your ass about Michigan St?

Stunk is a relative term when it comes to Michigan but if what you say is true and the only problem he had was not beating OSU there would be a lot of 1 or two loss seasons in there before 2021 when he turned it around.

LOL, you were thinking about the Brady Hoke years, not the Harbaugh years, when saying that Michigan stunk before 2021.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

same for about 12 other programs in the new Big 10, including Ohio State.

What you say is true however that the main goal for about half the league each year will be to make the playoffs. Schools like OSU will have the added goal of getting a first round bye.

It's going to be interesting for coaches at the mid level programs. I think 3 playoff appearances in 10 years would be a pretty good run for most programs.

Yep OSU, Michigan, and USC will be shooting for the bye but OSU will be on to a new coach in the next couple of seasons. Should be even better once Day is gone.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

LOL, you were thinking about the Brady Hoke years, not the Harbaugh years, when saying that Michigan stunk before 2021.

Don’t forget the rich rod years either…

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Nah. That entire winter was fun in the ISR arguing with the trolls who said we didn't win anything because we didn't get a trophy. You know hawk fans and their trophies...

Man I remember that.

 

[Clark]

LOL, you were thinking about the Brady Hoke years, not the Harbaugh years, when saying that Michigan stunk before 2021.

No I was actually thinking Harbaugh. 2018 was better for them than I remembered but at Michigan 8 and 9 wins aren't good seasons. The stretch from 2017-2020 was a poor stretch for them overall

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

No I was actually thinking Harbaugh. 2018 was better for them than I remembered but at Michigan 8 and 9 wins aren't good seasons. The stretch from 2017-2020 was a poor stretch for them overall

They had 8-5. 10-3, 9-4 during that stretch they just could not beat Ohio State, those years.

2018 they lost to Penn State 11-2, MSU 10-3, Wisconsin 13-1 and Ohio State 12-2, and the bowl game. Where is there a bad loss.

2020 they lost to Wisconsin 10-4, Penn State 11-2, Ohio State 13-1 and again their bowl game to Alabama.

In their "bad" years under Harbaugh he struggled with Penn State, Wisconsin and Ohio State, but was beating everyone else.

Michigan has not won a national championship 1997, its not like they are Alabama here, Carr had 6 seasons where he won 7 to 9 games.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Much like their conference mates, MSU has an image problem with their recent scandals, so a more straight-laced coach like Campbell would make sense from an image cleanup standpoint. I don't think the fanbase would be happy about it given his recent record, but stranger things have happened (see 5-19 Chizik to Auburn).

Chizik had an "ancestral" connection to Auburn, though. He was their DC the season they went 13-0 before the BCS computer made the rather controversial decision to match undefeated USC (that season since vacated over the Reggie Bush scandal) and undefeated Oklahoma in the national championship game. USC would then embarrass Oklahoma for the title; Auburn defeated VT in the Sugar Bowl. The upshot was a split national championship for the first time of the BCS era, which that system was designed to avoid.

Chizik was seen as something of a "coach in waiting" at both Auburn and Texas, which was why Pollard being able to pry him away from Austin to Ames was seen as such a remarkable coup at the time.

It is funny how things work out.

Campbell doesn't have any strong connections with Michigan State, though. They're not going to see him as the "real genius" behind what ended up being one of the best seasons in program history.

Auburn didn't see it as hiring 5-19 at Iowa State. They saw it as hiring the DC from the 2004 season that should have been at least a chance to play for a national championship for the Tigers.

The funny thing is Chizik owes much of the success he had at Auburn to Gus Malzahn, who coached Cam Newton to a Heisman Trophy and put together that intricate psuedo-option offense for him.

Now we get to see Malzahn when we finally play the Golden Knights and Chizik is Mack Brown's DC at UNC.

 

[Clark]

They had 8-5. 10-3, 9-4 during that stretch they just could not beat Ohio State, those years.

2018 they lost to Penn State 11-2, MSU 10-3, Wisconsin 13-1 and Ohio State 12-2, and the bowl game. Where is there a bad loss.

2020 they lost to Wisconsin 10-4, Penn State 11-2, Ohio State 13-1 and again their bowl game to Alabama.

In their "bad" years under Harbaugh he struggled with Penn State, Wisconsin and Ohio State, but was beating everyone else.

Michigan has not won a national championship 1997, its not like they are Alabama here, Carr had 6 seasons where he won 7 to 9 games.

They went 2-4 in 2020, they certainly didn't play Bama in a bowl game and didn't play Ohio St that year. Was that supposed to be 2019? Why are you cherry picking years there?

 

[legi]

Will somebody think of the children and get a flight tracker to East Lansing going?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They went 2-4 in 2020, they certainly didn't play Bama in a bowl game and didn't play Ohio St that year. Was that supposed to be 2019? Why are you cherry picking years there?

You’re both sort of right, by all metrics there were some down years at Michigan due to their history/standards. However coming off of rich rod/hoke those records were part of the rebuild and even those “bad” years weren’t bad. The issues with harbaugh were his inability to develop a QB, his inability to beat OSU/MSU or win bowl games. The alums had him penciled in as a James Franklin type who can’t win big games but overall put together solid seasons.

There was also concern about his desire to go back to the NFL and his incredible amount of bad luck. The trouble with the snap game, the one inch OSU game, just a bunch of very random outcomes.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Will somebody think of the children and get a flight tracker to East Lansing going?

Do you guys even want CMC anymore? Obv the board is not a representation of the overall fandom/alumni but it certainly appears from an outside perspective that people have soured on him a bit.