Nebraska isn't coming here especially since starting next season they start earning a full share..what I find hilarious is they move to the BIG...they fall off the national map football program wise basically..at least being a very good team..and they have probably made around $50-$60 mil less than Iowa State over past 4-5 years..lmao. Great move Nebraska.
Gov. Abbott says Houston Is #11
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The big 12 will def add 4 teams..some in media are calling it the most egregious money grab ever in college sports..maybe so but the Networks were dumb enough to write the contract the way they did. I mean how can you pass up $1 billion over next 8 years? No conference would..
I'm just not buying that adding some of these teams doesn't move the needle for the conference..BYU is about as P5 as P5 gets..great fan base..will be 3rd largest stadium in the conference..will be 3rd largest Men's bball attendance in conference from day 1..has a national following and they are devout(no pun intended) and BYU has been a very solid fball and bball program for a long time. how anyone can think that BYU doen't add to this conference is beyond me.
Houston? I love the pick Honeslty..and as far as not bringing the TV market because we already have it..we don't..8 of the top 10 games last year for TV ratings were SEC games in Houston..So apparently we don't own that market. Houston and Eastern Texas has been taken over by SEC country and this is as much a defensive move as any. Houston with Herman can develop into a top 10 program easily and that only brings value to this conference.
I have a feeling in 4-5 years most everyone is going to be saying that the big 12 is the 2nd best conference in fball and it won't be close.
I'm just not buying that adding some of these teams doesn't move the needle for the conference..BYU is about as P5 as P5 gets..great fan base..will be 3rd largest stadium in the conference..will be 3rd largest Men's bball attendance in conference from day 1..has a national following and they are devout(no pun intended) and BYU has been a very solid fball and bball program for a long time. how anyone can think that BYU doen't add to this conference is beyond me.
Houston? I love the pick Honeslty..and as far as not bringing the TV market because we already have it..we don't..8 of the top 10 games last year for TV ratings were SEC games in Houston..So apparently we don't own that market. Houston and Eastern Texas has been taken over by SEC country and this is as much a defensive move as any. Houston with Herman can develop into a top 10 program easily and that only brings value to this conference.
I have a feeling in 4-5 years most everyone is going to be saying that the big 12 is the 2nd best conference in fball and it won't be close.
Well said..Totally agree. Look at the current TV ratings now of BYU/Cinnci heck Uconn fball and it's almost double than Purdue, ISU, KU, Indianna, Vandy, WF, KY, and all other bottom teams in current P5 conf and it's not close. So how can these teams not bring value?
With the B12 coaches overwhelming voting for BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis (only 2 other schools garnering a single vote a piece) those are your adds IMO. There's been too many behind the scenes negotiations for the AD's, univ. presidents, and big school donors not to have a say in those votes.
Except Big 12 coaches have precisely zero say in who gets added - ADs, school presidents, and (perhaps) regents do. And you know who influences all of those? Big money donors.
I like alphabetically
Baylor
BYU
Cinci
Iowa st
Houston
Kansas
K state
Memphis
OU
OSU
Texas
TCU
TTU
WV
Baylor
BYU
Cinci
Iowa st
Houston
Kansas
K state
Memphis
OU
OSU
Texas
TCU
TTU
WV
I agree with you, I could have made my point clearer....those votes are heavily influenced by the AD's, presidents, and big donors
I would flip WV and Houston in those divisions. Doesn't make any sense for Houston to have to travel all that distance when they have all the Texas schools right there. And WV has to travel super far no matter what so they might as well be in the northern division.
HoopsTournament
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Actually, that is not correct for the Big 12 model. Ratings matter more and the Big 12's ratings in the city of Houston were not good since A&M left. So Houston does add a lot because their games against Texas and Oklahoma teams will probably increase ratings a lot. Plus other Big 12 games will increase in ratings.
Houston is a better choice than Cincinnati.
They both suck though. Stay at ten!
They both suck though. Stay at ten!
HoopsTournament
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I think BYU, Houston and Cincinnati are in. I think the 4th team is still up in the air, but I think the first 3 are pretty much virtual locks at this point.
And for those that think they make the conference weaker, they will have higher ratings than any bottom feeder in any conference except for the SEC in football. And BYU and Cincinnati are quality basketball schools. We would still be the second best conference in basketball. And $1 billion. Plus it also will not be done with a GOR extension because schools like KSU, ISU, TTU, TCU and Baylor will not agree to the expansion without it.
And for those that think they make the conference weaker, they will have higher ratings than any bottom feeder in any conference except for the SEC in football. And BYU and Cincinnati are quality basketball schools. We would still be the second best conference in basketball. And $1 billion. Plus it also will not be done with a GOR extension because schools like KSU, ISU, TTU, TCU and Baylor will not agree to the expansion without it.
NU left for stability reasons
It was a great move. Academic rules already diminished their FB program years prior
Nebraska CAUSED much of the instability you are referring to in their quest to be "better" than Texas. And by "better" I mean the most power and/or influence in the conference and the biggest share of the pie of payout. One of Nebraska's greatest "cites" as to why they left was because how favorable the Big 10's revenue sharing model was - which is a bull**** reason for leaving because we could have HAD a similar revenue sharing model. Unfortunately, the vote for that kind of change requires 9 votes or more, and there were always only 8 votes. Guess which school was always one of the dissenting votes? None other than Nebraska.
Nebraska was never in it for stability of the Big 12, much less in it for anything that would benefit the conference as a whole. They were in it to be the kings of the Big 12, and when they couldn't get that, they decided to stick it to UT, the kings of the Big 12. Further, they couldn't care less if they destroyed the conference and how many casualties they created along the way as a result - they were going to get theirs
All that being said, if Nebraska somehow decided to turn about face and return the Big 12, we'd be fools not to take them back. While the Nebraska brand is extremely tarnished from what it was in the 1990s and earlier, they are still a national brand. I don't know whether to say "fortunately" or not, but I would bet against that ever being a "problem" we would ever need to address.
The real irony, and what makes me laugh thinking about it, is since Nebraska was never going to be king of the Big 12, they left thinking they were going to be one of the kings of the Big 10. What they foolishly never anticipated is the Big 10 already has 4 kings - Michigan and Ohio State, and, to a lesser extent, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Nebraska right now is lucky to be at Minnesota's level in the pecking order - a level that is very much akin to Iowa State's level in the Big 12.
I can't help but love how much Nebraska's ego has destroyed them. Yes, they're getting paid. But what Nebraska really wants is power and prestige, and they're getting anything but that in the Big 10.
I was living in Omaha when that all took place, and I can't think of ONE of my cornholer friends who didn't think they would rule the Big Ten.
If the 62-member Association of American Universities is the ruling guide, the Big 12 won't be overly concerned about academics, maybe, when considering new members. Only three B12 schools - ISU, KU, UT - are members, and none of the schools applying or under consideration are members.
On the other hand, 13 big schools are members - Nebraska is not. (The big is 14 schools, correct?)
Tulane, Rice, Pitt, Buffalo and Missouri are members.
How important will cost and travel time for the Olympic sports matter when mulling new members? Not? Maybe western schools (BYU, CSU) and eastern schools (WVU, UConn) could meet at ISU for tournament style competition? . . .
Personally, I'd like to see UConn make it, possible inroads into the greater NYC region over time and a travel partner for WVU. Heck, like to see Pitt, but I have no idea what conference the Panthers belong to. Army? Navy? Same conference as Houston? Grab Houston, then the service schools might be looking? Just talking out loud without facts to guide. . . .
On the other hand, 13 big schools are members - Nebraska is not. (The big is 14 schools, correct?)
Tulane, Rice, Pitt, Buffalo and Missouri are members.
How important will cost and travel time for the Olympic sports matter when mulling new members? Not? Maybe western schools (BYU, CSU) and eastern schools (WVU, UConn) could meet at ISU for tournament style competition? . . .
Personally, I'd like to see UConn make it, possible inroads into the greater NYC region over time and a travel partner for WVU. Heck, like to see Pitt, but I have no idea what conference the Panthers belong to. Army? Navy? Same conference as Houston? Grab Houston, then the service schools might be looking? Just talking out loud without facts to guide. . . .
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