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cyclonenum1 said:
Agaiin...did I say that bringing in Gilstrap was a bad thing? I don't believe so. I just wonder how those in the "doing it the right way" camp can reconcile this "quick fix" approach being used by GM. I just hope he actually is a quick fix and not an over-hyped guy.
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You can do things the right way and still need a quick fix due to circumstances. You just want to find somebody to argue with. I'm in the right way camp so now you know how one of us feels.
 
The whole point is that we need athletic wings. We didn't have any this year. We have to bridge the gap until our future high school kids get here. If we can bring in *that one guy* with Gilstrap, hold on. Next season could be a good one!
 
Everyone brings in Juco's. I am not quite sure I understand the argument being made. If a kid can come play and help us make the tournemant I see no problem bringing him into the program.
Anyone remember Horton, Nurse, and Pratt. I do. So what if he has one year. Pro football and basketball teams bring in 1 year players all the time.
Hell Pro baseball they bring them in for the rest of the year to help win.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
I would argue we need a lot of things NOW. I am, and have always been, in the camp of living in the present instead of always positioning for the future (which never seems to come). I certainly hope this kid can compete in the Big 12.
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I agree with this 100%. I'd argue with somebody that wasn't. Granted, you can't ignore the future. It all comes down to what's best for the program. This program needs wins...yesterday.
 
Knownothing said:
Everyone brings in Juco's. I am not quite sure I understand the argument being made. If a kid can come play and help us make the tournemant I see no problem bringing him into the program.
Anyone remember Horton, Nurse, and Pratt. I do. So what if he has one year. Pro football and basketball teams bring in 1 year players all the time.
Hell Pro baseball they bring them in for the rest of the year to help win.
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You don't understand the argument being made because you understand college basketball and you're rightfully excited about an upgrade in talent. :smile:

As fans, we should want the best players we can get every year. I don't care if it's 10 new faces each year as long as we win. Gilstrap, if as good as advertised, is a major improvement over last year in countless ways. Therefore, in my mind, Gilstrap = Good. Maybe that's over-simplifying things, but that's how I see it.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
I'm not complaining at all...just wondering how all of those in the "doing it the right way" camp feel about this one year player.
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Does Gilstrap have character issues? Does he have a bad attitude? Are his grades potentially a problem? If the answer is "no" to all these questions, then there is nothing to suggest McDermott ISN'T "doing it the right way" by brining in Gilstrap, whatever the hell that means.
 
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isunorth said:
You don't understand the argument being made because you understand college basketball and you're rightfully excited about an upgrade in talent. :smile:

As fans, we should want the best players we can get every year. I don't care if it's 10 new faces each year as long as we win.

Gilstrap, if as good as advertised, is a major improvement over last year in countless ways. Therefore, in my mind, Gilstrap = Good. Maybe that's over-simplifying things, but that's how I see it.
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Nice post.

I totally agree with the item highlighted in red. I am just wondering what GM's disciples think of this since so many of them are continually telling us that he is "doing things the right way" and that "that takes time". This certainly seems to be a departure from GM's approach since he has been at ISU.

The green part of the post is what I am concerned about. We seem to have a significant disconnect between the way incoming guys are "advertised" on this site and how they actually end up performing. This guy is only going to be here one year...let's hope he can learn the voluminous playbook and we can catch some lightning in a bottle next year!
 
I'm excited about Gilstrap coming in. It sounds like it is a great get! If he is as advertised, this will fill a huge hole in next years team.

Obviously to compete at this level today, you can't 100% build a team on developing 4 year players. It takes a mix of foundational players, and players that can come in and compete right away.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
Nice post.

I totally agree with the item highlighted in red. I am just wondering what GM's disciples think of this since so many of them are continually telling us that he is "doing things the right way" and that "that takes time". This certainly seems to be a departure from GM's approach since he has been at ISU.

The green part of the post is what I am concerned about. We seem to have a significant disconnect between the way incoming guys are "advertised" on this site and how they actually end up performing. This guy is only going to be here one year...let's hope he can learn the voluminous playbook and we can catch some lightning in a bottle next year!
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Everyone gets excited about new guys, unwarranted as it may be. I still think you are looking to argue. Cool with me. I do it all of the time.
 
I've got no problem with Gilstrap being a one year guy, I just think we're banking a lot of next season on a guy that's never played in the Big 12, and that will be a learning experience for him, then he's gone. We put the same expectations on Lucca, which also wasn't fair, and he had even been in the program a year. I don't know whether this is "doing it the right way" or not, as that phrase has been waaay over used and often sounds like an excuse for losing. By far most of the coaches out there are "doing it the right way", and many are winning too.
 
CYKOFAN said:
I've got no problem with Gilstrap being a one year guy, I just think we're banking a lot of next season on a guy that's never played in the Big 12, and that will be a learning experience for him, then he's gone. We put the same expectations on Lucca, which also wasn't fair, and he had even been in the program a year. I don't know whether this is "doing it the right way" or not, as that phrase has been waaay over used and often sounds like an excuse for losing. By far most of the coaches out there are "doing it the right way", and many are winning too.
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You have no idea how dirty college basketball is...serious cash.
 
stormchaser said:
I'm excited about Gilstrap coming in. It sounds like it is a great get! If he is as advertised, this will fill a huge hole in next years team.

Obviously to compete at this level today, you can't 100% build a team on developing 4 year players. It takes a mix of foundational players, and players that can come in and compete right away.
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Agree. One good flash in the pan season would do wonders for recruiting and would provide a little momentum for a program that really lacks any right now. Look how long we lived off of 99-00 and 00-01. Those two seasons are still brought up on a daily basis around here and really pushed the program for a while.
 
CYKOFAN said:
I've got no problem with Gilstrap being a one year guy, I just think we're banking a lot of next season on a guy that's never played in the Big 12, and that will be a learning experience for him, then he's gone. We put the same expectations on Lucca, which also wasn't fair, and he had even been in the program a year. I don't know whether this is "doing it the right way" or not, as that phrase has been waaay over used and often sounds like an excuse for losing. By far most of the coaches out there are "doing it the right way", and many are winning too.
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I think the expectations are a completely different argument all together, although I do agree with you to a certain extent.

"Doing it the right way" is usually code word for doing something slow. It's also justifying the sacrifice of present/past opportunity with the promise of greater opportunity in future. It applies in business, sports, politics, etc. It's also the reason that I haven't proposed to my girlfriend after 3 years :smile:
 
There may be some of that, and actually I have no problem with getting players a little spending money, especially when they come from poverty situations. But I believe the majority of programs abide by the rules, though I'm sure less do at the major college level (given the huge coaches salaries and other money issues) compared to the lower divisions.
 
CYKOFAN said:
There may be some of that, and actually I have no problem with getting players a little spending money, especially when they come from poverty situations. But I believe the majority of programs abide by the rules, though I'm sure less do at the major college level (given the huge coaches salaries and other money issues) compared to the lower divisions.
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Nothing personal, but your belief is wrong...Even if ISU wanted to cheat, our pockets are not even close to deep enough.
 
flynnhicks03 said:
Does Gilstrap have character issues? Does he have a bad attitude? Are his grades potentially a problem? If the answer is "no" to all these questions, then there is nothing to suggest McDermott ISN'T "doing it the right way" by brining in Gilstrap, whatever the hell that means.
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From everything we've heard, there are not any issues with his character. He's a young man that didnt focus on the grades and that kept him from going to college out of high school.

He originally enrolled at Palm Beach CC in 2005-2006 and then broke a bone in his knee. That's why they think he could apply for a second year of eligibility. Left school for two years to work and get some money because during this time he became a father. Realizing he needed that education regardless of basketball to provide for his daughter, he enrolled in Gulf Coast for this past fall. So unless his grades fall through this year, he's good to go.

I think this kid has his feet on the ground and being a father can definitely do that - he matured and i think will be huge for ISU next year.

Here's a good article on him....

Another big step for Gilstrap | GazetteOnline.com - Cedar Rapids, Iowa City
 
Maybe it was me that was putting unrealistic expectations on Lucca, because with the loss of Wes I felt Lucca had to come in and be a great player at the 3 for us to have any success as a team, which pretty much turned out to be true. I put too much faith in the fact he had been in the program for a year and bought a little too much into the hype since he was also a real good player for the German junior national team. I'm trying not to make the same mistake with Gilstrap. He does sound like the real deal, but he still has to learn how to play against Big 12 competition.
 
kg-cyclone- I can tell you from knowing football players in the past that there were ways to get them spending money, even at ISU.
 
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