Garza Vs Niang

[Statefan10]

Some of the front lines Baylor and KU had those years against Georges were insanely long and athletic. That's 5 games a year right there and you are right that he'd be going against two of those monster sized pogo sticks quite often.

Georges played Embiid three times his junior year.

Sophomore year right? And I believe he did not play in the post season at all that year so Georges only saw him 2 times.

 

[ISUTex]

Garza will have a more decorated individual career in college. Oh well. Niang is a better basketball player so who really cares?

 

[HFCS]

Sophomore year right? And I believe he did not play in the post season at all that year so Georges only saw him 2 times.

Georges junior year. I just threw in 3 times because it seemed we played KU in the tourney most years in those years.

Embiid was a little raw on offense but he was one of the most dominant defensive athletes I've seen. The idea that Niang as our only big man had it easy going against players KU and Baylor had inside those years is ridiculous.

 

[Legend Hawk]

Georges was ISU's only post in about 80% of his games.

The point you're ignoring is Garza can be triple teamed because he lacks certain skills that some other forwards and centers have.

He played down low and mostly shot 3s in transition. He plays a completely different role in the NBA.

His freshman year his entire role was to come in for the last 10 minutes (because he wasn't in shape) and outscore the bigger guys for the other team right at the rim because they couldn't guard his moves.

Played mostly down low? Look at Niang highlights, Fred didn't have Niang sitting in the post waiting to get double teamed, that would have been crazy stupid usage of Niang and his skills. Nearly all his highlights start with him on the perimeter with the ball, as he was great at driving to the rim.

 

[Statefan10]

I just threw in 3 times because it seemed we played KU in the tourney most years in those years.

We did play KU and Georges was tremendous in that game (band-aid game). Embiid got hurt though towards the end of the year and didn't play another minute from March 1st on.

 

[ISUTex]

Garza was runner up for the Naismith last year, and will probably win it this year. He's the best player in college basketball. You could never say that about Niang. Niang is my favorite Iowa State player of all time, but it's pretty hard to argue he was better than Garza. Garza is a better overall scorer, more efficient offensively and a much better rebounder. Niang was a better passer/facilitator. Neither were/are good defensively. Both were GREAT college players.

I HATE Iowa, but come on, Garza is the more dominant college player.

Garza is not the best player in college basketball. He's good, and he has the stats, but come on.

 

[HFCS]

Played mostly down low? Look at Niang highlights, Fred didn't have Niang sitting in the post waiting to get double teamed, that would have been crazy stupid usage of Niang and his skills. Nearly all his highlights start with him on the perimeter with the ball, as he was great at driving to the rim.

Yeah, Georges can and did contribute in transition basketball.

Like I said I'd give Garza the edge (no any drastic gigantic edge) but thanks for pointing out another area where Georges adds more to a team.

When ISU was in the half court (they liked to run) Georges was BY FAR the ISU offense in the paint. Especially his freshman and Sophomore year he was the best/only back to the basket low post scorer we had.

I'm not saying they are identical players. I'm saying Niang was definitely the low post half court scorer on every ISU team he was on. His freshman year they brought him in to basically do only that.

 

[AllInForISU]

Georges lost his weight naturally. Garza had to have surgery. Advantage, Georges.

 

[Legend Hawk]

Yeah, Georges can and did contribute in transition basketball.

Like I said I'd give Garza the edge but thanks for pointing out another area where Georges adds more to a team.

When ISU was in the half court (they liked to run) Georges was BY FAR the ISU offense in the paint. Especially his freshman and Sophomore year he was the best/only back to the basket low post scorer we had.

I'm not saying they are identical players. I'm saying Niang was definitely the low post half court scorer on every ISU team he was on. His freshman year they brought him in to basically do only that.

A perimeter player is always going to add more diversity of game over a post player. If they can't, what is the point of having them on the floor? I said from the start they played different positions and it is really tough to compare them.

 

[Statefan10]

A perimeter player is always going to add more diversity of game over a post player. If they can't, what is the point of having them on the floor? I said from the start they played different positions and it is really tough to compare them.

I don't think i'd classify Georges as a perimeter player in college.

 

[AllInForISU]

A perimeter player is always going to add more diversity of game over a post player. If they can't, what is the point of having them on the floor? I said from the start they played different positions and it is really tough to compare them.

You should change this to someone who can dribble adds more diversity than someone who can’t.

Georges was a ball handling PF at ISU, Garza would crap his pants if he had to try to initiate an offense.

 

[ISUTex]

Not in the 60s/70s. ISU was the better football team. Iowa’s athletic department did a better job getting broadcaster to cover games and reaching out through the radio. Iowa was also helped with ISU having very poor ADs and a prez that was anti athletic. Iowa did a better job promoting themselves and getting supporters in the right spot.

ISU leaders were very anti athletics in the 70's/80'.

Although, I would say ISU has been better over all in basketball for the last 25 years.

 

[HFCS]

A perimeter player is always going to add more diversity of game over a post player. If they can't, what is the point of having them on the floor? I said from the start they played different positions and it is really tough to compare them.

Just trust me. If ISU was in a half court set, Georges played post offense. A LOT.

Honestly, he was a better post player than Fizer in some ways. Fizer was like Barkley or Shaq just bulling over people with force.

Niang was kind of a poor man's Hakeem around the basket just shaking guys until he ended up with an easy flip in the basket. I'm starting to think you never watched Niang play.

To call Georges a "perimeter player" at ISU is to say you never watched the guy. Yeah he shot 3s...so does Luka. Yeah he participated in transition scoring...so would Luka if he was fast enough, Anthony Davis scores in transition because he's fast enough...Anthony Davis is still a post player. They're not identical players but that does not mean George was just a guard or a wing. He was ISU's halfcourt offense in the paint for four years.

 

[ISUTex]

Did Garza play high school ball with Nerlens Noel?

 

[Legend Hawk]

You should change this to someone who can dribble adds more diversity than someone who can’t.

Georges was a ball handling PF at ISU, Garza would crap his pants if he had to try to initiate an offense.

And yet Garza is a more prolific and efficient scorer even though he doesn't have as diverse a game as Niang.

 

[HFCS]

You should change this to someone who can dribble adds more diversity than someone who can’t.

Georges was a ball handling PF at ISU, Garza would crap his pants if he had to try to initiate an offense.

I'm starting to think he watches no basketball other than Iowa.

I tried pointing out Jokic (a top 3 player on the planet and a true center) and asking if maybe the fact that the guy passes like Magic Johnson might prohibit triple teams. I think I might as well be talking about space aliens to him.

 

[CyGuy5]

Luka Garza on defense:

 

[Statefan10]

Just trust me. If ISU was in a half court set, Georges played post offense. A LOT.

Honestly, he was a better post player than Fizer in some ways. Fizer was like Barkley or Shaq just bulling over people with force.

Niang was kind of a poor man's Hakeem around the basket just shaking guys until he ended up with an easy flip in the basket. I'm starting to think you never watched Niang play.

To call Georges a "perimeter player" at ISU is to say you never watched the guy. Yeah he shot 3s...so does Luka. Yeah he participated in transition scoring...so would Luka if he was fast enough, Anthony Davis scores in transition because he's fast enough...Anthony Davis is still a post player. They're not identical players but that does not mean George was just a guard or a wing. He was ISU's halfcourt offense in the paint for four years.

And posting 3 NCAA tournament games of Georges senior year is not the best way to encompass his entire career at Iowa State.

 

[HFCS]

And yet Garza is a more prolific and efficient scorer even though he doesn't have as diverse a game as Niang.

You were crying about triple teams.

If Garza was faster or more skilled handling the ball he'd get doubled and tripled less. Part of why he gets it is because he's a great player. Part of why he gets it is he's a great player who is limited in some other areas of the game that make doubling and tripling him less risky.

There are plenty of ways to argue Garza is better than Niang without making up nonsense like Niang didn't get doubled or Niang never played and scored in the post.

Does Jokic not get triple teamed for no reason? Are there real world skill reasons why you can't triple team a center who is probably a top 3 player in the world right now?

 

[HFCS]

And posting 3 NCAA tournament games of Georges senior year is not the best way to encompass his entire career at Iowa State.

His Freshman year NCAA highlights would have been all paint scoring and taking hard fouls in the paint.

And just the fact that he was our go-to scorer as a freshman off the bench in an NCAA tourney game is the only reason it's a fun argument.