Fraschilla vs KU

[srjclone]

Here's a better angle. Arcidiacano gets him twice. Could have called a foul on Bridges as well.

I will admit Arcidiacano probably got him on that second swing, but the way he was angled the ref could not see him, it looks like. Not saying that makes it okay, or defending it, but they're humans and can't see things some times. As for Bridges, he definitely hit a lot of ball there and if the ref on the close side of the court called that there would have been even more chaos.

 

[ChampFantana]

If those are "fouls" on Villanova, then how does Mason not foul out after his first 5 drives of the game?

There is a something in the rulebook referred to as the "Tinsley Exception" which allows high profile Big 12 guards to use their forearms to gain separation from defenders. I'm surprised that you, as an ISU fan, haven't heard of it.

 

[CyTwins]

Here's a better angle. Arcidiacano gets him twice. Could have called a foul on Bridges as well.

That replay is even a better angle of nobody tripping him.

 

[ChampFantana]

Nope, didn't get tripped. I remembered that part incorrectly.

He pretty clearly got fouled though.

 

[CyTwins]

Nope, didn't get tripped. I remembered that part incorrectly.

He pretty clearly got fouled though.

He didn't "clearly get fouled."

 

[CY88CE11]

Nope, didn't get tripped. I remembered that part incorrectly.

He pretty clearly fouled though.

Agreed (after I FTFY).

 

[ChampFantana]

I will admit Arcidiacano probably got him on that second swing, but the way he was angled the ref could not see him, it looks like. Not saying that makes it okay, or defending it, but they're humans and can't see things some times. As for Bridges, he definitely hit a lot of ball there and if the ref on the close side of the court called that there would have been even more chaos.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. When KU gets hurt by a bad call, it's "well the refs are human, they couldn't see it from where they were, it happened so fast, etc." When KU benefits from a bad call, it's "THERE'S NO WAY THE OFFICIALS ARE GOING TO LET KU LOSE THIS GAME!!!."

 

[ChampFantana]

He didn't "clearly get fouled."

Probably best for your sanity that you continue to believe that.

 

[CyTwins]

Probably best for your sanity that you continue to believe that.

Do you know what clearly means? I'm sure some unbiased people think it was a foul and most think it wasn't.

 

[abcguyks]

As far as a Big 12 game, I'd go to WVU in 2015. Staten blatantly walked (4 steps) on his way to the game winning basket. Had the travel been called properly, KU would have had the ball up one with a few seconds left.

This sounds a lot like the 'Walk Chalk Jayhawk" game that Svi/KBoo had against KState earlier this season. Had that been called properly, KState would have had the ball with a chance to win with a few seconds left.

 

[CY88CE11]

Well, at least we can all agree that it's been at LEAST a year since there's been a remotely controversial call that affected KU negatively, since HomerFantana can't find anything more recent or relevant.

 

[GTO]

Wow. No wonder they never think they get any calls when their KU blinders won't even let them recognize a regular foul. Unreal.

 

[ChampFantana]

Well, at least we can all agree that it's been at LEAST a year since there's been a remotely controversial call that affected KU negatively, since HomerFantana can't find anything more recent or relevant.

Not just affected KU negatively, but affected KU negatively in a loss. There have only been three losses since the one I mentioned, including ISU in AFH. Congrats to you guys on that one.

Do you feel like any of the ISU losses this year were the result of a bad call at the end of the game?

 

[ChampFantana]

Do you know what clearly means? I'm sure some unbiased people think it was a foul and most think it wasn't.

All three unbiased announcers thought it was a bad call.

You probably shouldn't include yourself in the unbiased bucket.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Here's a better angle. Arcidiacano gets him twice. Could have called a foul on Bridges as well.

That's only a foul on two Villanova players if completely not touching a player is considered a foul. Then again, when that's the standard of refereeing that K-BOO players and fans have become accustomed to in Big 12 play, of course you all would think that's a "bad call". It also explains why K-BOO is such a regular choke artist in the NCAA Tournament - they generally don't know how to play the game without being continuously protected by Big 12 refs.

 

[rochclone]

You are certainly entitled to think that but I would suggest watching the video kcclone linked. There does not appear to be any contact by the Nova players.

I remember watching it live. Perhaps my emotions were blurred due to have a financial investment in Kansas

 

[CY88CE11]

Not just affected KU negatively, but affected KU negatively in a loss. There have only been three losses since the one I mentioned, including ISU in AFH. Congrats to you guys on that one.

Do you feel like any of the ISU losses this year were the result of a bad call at the end of the game?

Oh, gotcha. It's more about losing than actually having a bad call in a game. That makes more sense now.

 

[ChampFantana]

That's only a foul on two Villanova players if completely not touching a player is considered a foul. Then again, when that's the standard of refereeing that K-BOO players and fans have become accustomed to in Big 12 play, of course you all would think that's a "bad call". It also explains why K-BOO is such a regular choke artist in the NCAA Tournament - they generally don't know how to play the game without being continuously protected by Big 12 refs.

In addition to convincing yourselves that KU gets all the breaks, you've also been able to wipe clean from your memory ISU's early exits as a 2 and 3 seed.

Your mind powers are special.

 

[DSM4Cy]

Here's a better angle. Arcidiacano gets him twice. Could have called a foul on Bridges as well.

Arcidiacano got him once that I saw, could have been called. Wouldn't have been opposed to that but it would have been pretty weak. Bridges got the ball first. It is out before he (possibly) barely hits Graham's hand.

Graham takes out Hart by diving at his feet, when he doesn't have possession of the ball. No one had possession, so it's a loose ball, but you can't tackle a guy. If anything, Hart has more right to it at this point. It was in his hands right before Graham hits him.

If THIS is what KU fans think is a bad call, it's only from getting the benefit of the doubt in numerous calls over the years. There's an entitled mentality showing through here. In watching this video both in real-time and slo-mo, I would have called it exactly the way the refs did. Graham got trapped, tried to split it, turned it over, and fouled a guy trying to get it back. What would you have said, no call? Or a foul on Nova? Raftery seems to think it should have been a no-call, which is just dumb and goes with the whole "let them play" thing in the last minute or so of a game. No. Fouls are fouls, no matter when they occur. You can't just throw the rulebook out at the end of the game and let players get away with whatever they want.

 

[ChampFantana]

Oh, gotcha. It's more about losing than actually having a bad call in a game. That makes more sense now.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, there are plenty of times when bad calls negatively impact KU. But when KU still wins the game (and they usually do), the bad calls don't get discussed and are quickly forgotten.