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I never said that. I was just mentioning why the conference games are the most important to Campbell. I also pointed out that Mac and Fry both put their emphasis on the rivalry game, maybe not the sets, but definitely free time scouting and planning. Fry pushed for a quite a while for ISU to be dropped down a level, he felt that two D1 programs could not both be successful in Iowa. It is those actions that lead to the stupid other teams super bowl statement.
The conversation was centered on which games are the most important, Campbell has mentioned many times his big goal is a conference championship.
I just think it's comical people think he can only be about one thing. Like he can only care about conference games. Please. He cares about the Iowa game and preps for it just as much as every other game. So does Kirk.
The Super Bowl thing was lame when they used to say it about us, and it's equally lame when we say it about them. It's a 6th grader's argument.
There are 12 games in a football season. Every single one of them matters just as much as the next.
Kirk Ferentz literally said beating Iowa State was bigger than beating Ohio State. Do some research before you spew nonsense
I just find the notion that someone "cares more" about one game over the other as laughable.
Here's what is really happening. We are getting our ***es kicked by them. But rather than calling a spade a spade some want to subscribe to some ridiculous notion that it's a result of them caring more about a game than us. The idea that if we lose it's due to us "not caring" is a 12 year old argument.
My sentiments exactly.
And the ones who say Campbell prepares for more Conf games vs non-Conf, I ask: 1) how do they know - what do they base their opinion on, 2) If the staff prepares more for non-conf games, do they prepare more for Iowa than say, La-Monroe, or the same?
Nope, once again, you are zero summing it. He wants ISU to win all the games, I want ISU to win all the games. Conferences have a tendency to copy (or at least assimilate) each other. The majority of teams in the big 12 are spread offenses, running a defense similar to ours now and focus on having versatile qbs. Think of the big ten west, they are more play action (although they are starting to change towards a more dual threat). Therefore you can align game plans for 9 games slightly easier than for just one.
We have had more success against Iowa than we have had winning conference championships. I think the majority of people want to get that monkey off our backs. I want us to get at title finally, play in a CCG which we never have. I've seen us beat Iowa several times, I have never seen either of those other two.
Just what I've seen around the facilities when I've been there and what I've heard
But you'd agree the inverse to this argument is that Kirk is trying to structure a team to beat Iowa State, right? The argument is being made comparatively. I don't see anything Iowa is doing different than what we are doing. Iowa is certainly building a team based on how Big 10 football works as well.
So if your argument is neither Campbell nor Kirk are selling out for the purpose of beating an in state rival I guess I'm with you.
No one is saying Kirk is recruiting certain players to try to beat Iowa State but you can't deny he prepares and treats that game like the most important game on the schedule
I know Campbell isn't selling out for a rival, would guess Kirk is not, but I don't follow Iowa athletics that much and I would not be the one to ask.
I have seen statistics (a person on CR when I was on there) had like a spreadsheet of data over his first 13-15 years and showed Kirk had a leapfrogging type system. It showed how he might play a very bad team to a tight win, but then the next week beat an Ohio state or beat a michigan but would have lost to a poor Minnesota team the week before. It was quite interesting when he presented the data and really aligned the head scratchers. Whether true or not, it did present well and was interesting.
Like I mentioned early Fry and Mac did this and is where much of the stupid stuff came from.
I can see this approach in a non-football sport. In, say, basketball I can see one game mattering more than others. You have 30+ games to make your season. In football there is 12 games. Every loss is a big loss. Every win is a big win. I just refuse to believe that they "dont care about", and even if they did, I don't know what "not caring" looks like.
I'd personally like to see them treat every game - there's only 12- with the same emphasis, time and dedication to win. But if they really do ration their emphasis, which I doubt, then please put more emphasis on stopping Iowa from beating us 5x in a row.