Lol, Twitter huh? Thats why I don't get involved in stuff like that. Its the biggest collection of idiots mud-slinging I've ever seen.
All I can say is if people thought we would break the streak last February then they are complete idiots.
Expectations for 2018-2019
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Lol, Twitter huh? Thats why I don't get involved in stuff like that. Its the biggest collection of idiots mud-slinging I've ever seen.
All I can say is if people thought we would break the streak last February then they are complete idiots.
Showing this to everybody...
We are way ahead of where the "consensus" predictions had us to begin the season, either from us on this board, from experts in the media, and the computer rankings.
Luckily for me I'm not an idiot because I never expected to win the conference. I just said we'd be in the tourney and here we are
Yeah, you were right, but isnt that what everyone expected? I know before we saw the product on the floor this year, we were a tournament team on paper.
A 45% chance to make the NCAA tournament to start the season is pretty much the definition of a bubble team. We were not a "check the box, this team is making the dance, it is just a matter of how far they go" team this season. We have played ourselves into that. The consensus of the fans, media, and computers (documented above in my screen capture) was this was a bubble team coming into the year who fights for a low seed, not a team that competes for the conference title and fights for a 3-6ish seed. We are far ahead of those expectations.
But is it not ok to reset your expectations based on results at different points in the season? You also have to consider whats happening around you, injuries and suspensions are running rampant in the conference this year to really good players.
Far ahead of the least informed guesses, you mean.
Later on we’ll go back to referencing computer rankings and metrics to say how good this team was. Moving the goal posts is part of being a fan.
Extremely weak argument, like I said before, there is preseason expectation without seeing a minute of game action, and there are expectations at different points in the season based off what we've seen and how other teams are performing.
Have Kansas fans "moved the goalposts", or are their expectations now a little different with all the injuries and leave of absences?
Here's how I imagine this whole "moving the goalposts nonsense". What if we had won the conference and got a 3 seed in Des Moines, lost to New Mexico State in the first round?
You guys would be elated because "well in the preseason we were expected to be a bubble team, probably an 11 seed, so its no big deal because we probably would have been expected to lose our first round game anwyays".
You guys would be elated because "well in the preseason we were expected to be a bubble team, probably an 11 seed, so its no big deal because we probably would have been expected to lose our first round game anwyays".
So ours do not fall without Wigginton, Lard, and Talley for 1/3 of the season?
What makes you think anything would have been different if those 3 played all year? They have all 3 been healthy since Big 12 play except Lard missed a couple games. The bulk of our resume has come from the Big 12 season, not the non-conf.
Wigginton wouldn't have magically saved them from losing to Iowa, they probably beat Arizona with everyone healthy, but then would have lost to Gonzaga and possibly Auburn. We most likely go 2-1 in Maui either way. The whole "not having out full team" argument is a wash at this point, because they've all been together in Big 12 play.
No, they go up when you play well without them.
Every team has these obstacles. Losing guys mostly before late December against overwhelmed opponents isn’t worse than the competition losing guys like Doke, Vick, Clark, Fisher, Esa, Konate, and Bolden for prolonged periods in conference games. That doesn’t include the issues UT, OkSt, and KSU have also faced.
Other teams lose players (e.g., Doke and Vick from KU, basically the entire team on WVU from what I can tell, and a few others) = lowered expectations
Iowa State loses players = "We should win all of those games anyways."
Okay then.
This is not even bringing up that Lard was hurt for a few games in the conference season, so was Talley, and we have been without Solomon Young the entire season save maybe ~20 minutes of game time. Considering a lot of our complaints are about lacking in defensive rebounding and toughness inside, Solomon is a bigger loss than appreciated.
The reason our NET ranking and computer numbers are so strong is due to the strength of the Big 12, blowing out Kansas, and road wins at K-State and Tech. Nothing we did in November or December had much of an impact on that because we won the games against decent teams like San Diego St, Drake, and Illinois.
No, not when that first 1/3rd of the season has been against exactly 1 NCAA tournament team. Like I said, our resume has been built on what we've done in the Big 12.
I love playing in the best basketball conference in the country
How would our record be any different then? We still would have lost 2 non-conference games either way. I'll give you if Lard doesnt sprain his ankle we might win one more game, then again we beat Tech in Lubbock without him.
I don't think its fair to compare losing Solomon to Kansas losing Vick and Doke, we have a huge sample size of games with both those players and without them for Kansas. Young played 20 minutes the entire season, so its not like we have a huge sample size with him playing significant minutes.
Yeah, its such a grind though, no unbalanced schedules and 4 or 5 bottom feeders like the Big 10 and ACC has.