Expectations for 2018-2019

[WastedTalent]

Mooney and Wigginton on the court together, with no pg, sounds like a bad idea. The usage rate of those two individuals would not mesh.

People were ******** last season when they thought Wigginton took over too much of the offense. Mooney is twice as bad.

 

[Dandy]

Mooney and Wigginton on the court together, with no pg, sounds like a bad idea. The usage rate of those two individuals would not mesh.

People were ******** last season when they thought Wigginton took over too much of the offense. Mooney is twice as bad.

Mooney? The guy who is going to Texas Tech? What?

 

[Sigmapolis]

Mooney and Wigginton on the court together, with no pg, sounds like a bad idea. The usage rate of those two individuals would not mesh.

People were ******** last season when they thought Wigginton took over too much of the offense. Mooney is twice as bad.

Mooney? The guy who is going to Texas Tech? What?

That usage rate is pretty frightening, to be fair.

You can only have so many chuckers on a team.

 

[LLCoolCY]

SI's Big 12 Offseason Report: Power Rankings and Burning Questions for 2018–19
(Author is sleeping on ISU in my opinion... and a lot of focus on KU)

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...er-rankings-kansas-oklahoma-burning-questions

BIG 12 SUMMER POWER RANKINGS
1. Kansas: The Jayhawks will be in the conversation to be the No. 1 team in the country, let alone the Big 12 preseason favorite.
2. Kansas State: Yes, the Wildcats caught a couple major breaks in terms of who they played during their Elite Eight run, but they bring back all five starters from a 2017 team that finished fourth in the league.
3. West Virginia: The Mountaineers will have an elite frontcourt, but things are a little less clear on the perimeter.
4. Texas: Even without Mo Bamba, the Longhorns have a good core returning, especially in the backcourt. A top-10 recruiting class joins them.
5. TCU: A healthy Jaylen Fisher is key to this team, which also returns starters Alex Robinson, JD Miller and Desmond Bane.
6. Texas Tech: The Red Raiders lost a considerable amount of talent but added key grad transfers in Tariq Owens and Matt Mooney and could see Jarrett Culver break out.
7. Iowa State: Lindell Wigginton is back after flying under the national radar despite a big freshman year, and four-star Talen Horton-Tucker is a versatile addition.
8. Baylor: After losing three key starters, the Bears’ new additions include freshmen, Jucos and transfers (see below for the latter). Senior guard King McClure is the leading returning scorer.
9. Oklahoma: The Sooners’ rebuild took a detour with the early surge of Trae Young, but it should resume as they look to reset after a wild season.
10. Oklahoma State: Cameron McGriff and Lindy Waters are the Cowboys’ lone returning starters, but Indiana transfer Curtis Jones will be eligible after the fall semester.

 

[ZB4CY]

Who tf cares about Mooney.

 

[surly]

Mooney is a hell of a shooter. But he hasn't done it against B12 defenses.

 

[bawbie]

SI's Big 12 Offseason Report: Power Rankings and Burning Questions for 2018–19
(Author is sleeping on ISU in my opinion... and a lot of focus on KU)

https://www.si.com/college-basketba...er-rankings-kansas-oklahoma-burning-questions

BIG 12 SUMMER POWER RANKINGS
1. Kansas: The Jayhawks will be in the conversation to be the No. 1 team in the country, let alone the Big 12 preseason favorite.
2. Kansas State: Yes, the Wildcats caught a couple major breaks in terms of who they played during their Elite Eight run, but they bring back all five starters from a 2017 team that finished fourth in the league.
3. West Virginia: The Mountaineers will have an elite frontcourt, but things are a little less clear on the perimeter.
4. Texas: Even without Mo Bamba, the Longhorns have a good core returning, especially in the backcourt. A top-10 recruiting class joins them.
5. TCU: A healthy Jaylen Fisher is key to this team, which also returns starters Alex Robinson, JD Miller and Desmond Bane.
6. Texas Tech: The Red Raiders lost a considerable amount of talent but added key grad transfers in Tariq Owens and Matt Mooney and could see Jarrett Culver break out.
7. Iowa State: Lindell Wigginton is back after flying under the national radar despite a big freshman year, and four-star Talen Horton-Tucker is a versatile addition.
8. Baylor: After losing three key starters, the Bears’ new additions include freshmen, Jucos and transfers (see below for the latter). Senior guard King McClure is the leading returning scorer.
9. Oklahoma: The Sooners’ rebuild took a detour with the early surge of Trae Young, but it should resume as they look to reset after a wild season.
10. Oklahoma State: Cameron McGriff and Lindy Waters are the Cowboys’ lone returning starters, but Indiana transfer Curtis Jones will be eligible after the fall semester.

I agree that's too low for ISU, but it's hard to say which team(s) we should be ahead of.

Seems to me like a big gap between the first 7 and the bottom 3.

 

[LLCoolCY]

Mooney is a hell of a shooter. But he hasn't done it against B12 defenses.

Also Mooney hasn't had to defend B12 Guards yet. I am not saying he can't but from watching the small amount of video on him I saw it is a concern.

Mooney is a good player and will put up some nice scoring games for TT this year when he hitting from outside but I am of the the overall play of NWB, LW and MS will have kept Mooney out of the starting lineup for ISU.

 

[rochclone]

Mooney is a hell of a shooter. But he hasn't done it against B12 defenses.

Other than the 31 points he put up against Jamie Dixon and TCU last November.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Mooney is a hell of a shooter. But he hasn't done it against B12 defenses.

PLAYER A

Career 3 % = 36.3%
Best season = 38.7%

PLAYER B

Career 3 % = 37.4%
Best season = 43.6%

Which one is Matt Mooney and which one is Marial Shayok?

Other than the 31 points he put up against Jamie Dixon and TCU last November.

On a 41.6% usage rate. His ORTG was a mediocre 101.

For comparison, Michael Jordan's usage rate in the game against the Monstars in Space Jam was 44%, or at least from what we saw in the movie.

The NBA single-season record is Kobe Bryant in 2006 at 39%.

#chuckin

 

[rochclone]

PLAYER A

Career 3 % = 36.3%
Best season = 38.7%

PLAYER B

Career 3 % = 37.4%
Best season = 43.6%

Which one is Matt Mooney and which one is Marial Shayok?



On a 41.6% usage rate. His ORTG was a mediocre 101.

For comparison, Michael Jordan's usage rate in the game against the Monstars in Space Jam was 44%, or at least from what we saw in the movie.

The NBA single-season record is Kobe Bryant in 2006 at 39%.

#chuckin

Do you want to post the sample size of 3pt attempts and makes for Shayok versus Mooney?? I like our squad but the idea that Mooney wouldn't have started or played an integral role is just silly.
I'm guessing that Mooney will be a more efficient scorer with better players around him.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Do you want to post the sample size of Shayok versus Mooney?? I like our squad but the idea that Mooney wouldn't have started or played an integral role is just silly.
I'm guessing that Mooney will be a more efficient scorer with better players around him.

I think Mooney would have been a rotation player.

He probably kicks a youngling (Lewis? Griffin? THT?) out of minutes.

He would have been great insurance for NWB injury or LW going pro early.

I think he is a bit of a volume scorer/not very efficient/not extensively proven against Big 12 competition, and who knows what he will be on defense.

The situation he is stepping into at Tech -- desperate for guard scoring and experience -- is a better one as a fit than the one he would be stepping into in Ames.

I think he would have been good, but hardly great.

Then again, there is a chance he is Donovan Jackson with a less elite outside shot. Shayok was a better shooter than Mooney against ACC competition, and we are hardly describing him as an "elite shooter" going into next season, are we?

 

[rochclone]

I think Mooney would have been a rotation player.

He probably kicks a youngling (Lewis? Griffin? THT?) out of minutes.

He would have been great insurance for NWB injury or LW going pro early.

I think he is a bit of a volume scorer/not very efficient/not extensively proven against Big 12 competition, and who knows what he will be on defense.

The situation he is stepping into at Tech -- desperate for guard scoring and experience -- is a better one as a fit than the one he would be stepping into in Ames.

I think he would have been good, but hardly great.

Then again, there is a chance he is Donovan Jackson with a less elite outside shot. Shayok was a better shooter than Mooney against ACC competition.

Shayok has shot 150 3 pt in 103 games. Mooney has shot 500 3pts in 97 games. Shayok shot 32% in 16-17. I agree that Texas Tech was in much more need of his services. Shayok is going to be a hell of a player. I'm just not sold on our ability to space the floor effectively without multiple consistent shooters. Perhaps Lewis takes a giant step a lot with Shayok and it becomes a non issue.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I agree that's too low for ISU, but it's hard to say which team(s) we should be ahead of.

Seems to me like a big gap between the first 7 and the bottom 3.

West Virginia, TCU and Texas Tech

Edit: possibly Texas as well.

 

[rochclone]

People are way too high on Texas. TCU and Tech are too low. Iowa State should be between 4th-6th.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Shayok has shot 150 3 pt in 103 games. Mooney has shot 500 3pts in 97 games. Shayok shot 32% in 16-17. I agree that Texas Tech was in much more need of his services. Shayok is going to be a hell of a player. I'm just not sold on our ability to space the floor effectively without multiple consistent shooters. Perhaps Lewis takes a giant step a lot with Shayok and it becomes a non issue.

I agree with basically all of this.

I do agree -- the lack of known ace shooters next season, except for Wigginton (if he can do it again) and possibly Shayok (if he can return to peak form) is a concern.

I hope either NWB opens up another gear from deep, one of the incoming guards is better at it than we anticipated, or Lewis turns it on while playing some passable defense.

If not, well, might just have to pound the boards for the first time in a long time.

I realize you have a larger sample size with Mooney, but a career 55/147 for Shayok is not like he was 4/9 or something like that. He has some volume to judge him.

Mooney has a TON of volume recorded, you are right (against MWC and MVC competition, as opposed to Duke and UNC and the like in the ACC for Mr. Shayok), and, despite that, he is a career 36% guy. He is an okay, adequate shooter, not an elite one.

I consider something like 35% a Mendoza Line for shooters. He is barely above it -- at USD!

Who knows if he will maintain even that against Big 12 defenders, too.

 

[BryceC]

Nick is not quite the pure scorer, but he is the more efficient player, probably more versatile on defense (Nick is 2" taller and probably longer, plus used to playing against P6 players his entire career), and sucks down a TON of rebounds and dishes out a lot of assists. We probably have all the back court scoring we are going to need between Wigginton (who legitimately could lead the Big 12 in scoring next season), Shayok, and Horton-Tucker.

We need a proven PG more than a "get buckets" guy, and Nick is one.

I disagree here. I get labeled a hater a lot but Lindell is going to be the point this year, at least I think it's safe to assume that. We don't need a proven PG all that much. It's nice to have, and I'd much rather have NWB than not have him, but we need a guy that can shoot and doesn't need the ball in his hands IMO. Nick is effective with the ball in his hands because he distributes it well. He's not an efficient scorer and that's actually what I think we'll need from him next year. IMO this is why I see we think NWB at least eventually as the 6th man.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I disagree here. I get labeled a hater a lot but Lindell is going to be the point this year, at least I think it's safe to assume that. We don't need a proven PG all that much. It's nice to have, and I'd much rather have NWB than not have him, but we need a guy that can shoot and doesn't need the ball in his hands IMO. Nick is effective with the ball in his hands because he distributes it well. He's not an efficient scorer and that's actually what I think we'll need from him next year. IMO this is why I see we think NWB at least eventually as the 6th man.

I think we saw late last season what happens when you do not have a guy with proven PG skills on the court. That can be a guard like Morris, Lucious, or Weiler-Babb or a big like Niang or White, but you need somebody like that out there to make the system go.

Wigginton turned the ball over a lot and took a lot of bad shots as a PG last season. His A:T was less than one! Prohm is not going to want to see a repeat of that. If Nick is not starting as a senior with the longest tenure in the program, then he is either not healthy or one of the new guys was an absolute revelation in practice and eventually proved it in the games.

For instance, Horton-Tucker would have to be night-and-day better than him to take his starting spot away. Having a good sixth man to rough up your opponents' bench is nice, too, if somebody is seriously that good to be challenging a healthy Nick for his spot.

 

[BryceC]

Wigginton was a freshman thrown into the PG role late in the season after injuries. If he wasn't taking those shots at PG who was? That team last year was a total mess at the end of the season.

He's going to be starting out in the role. I am assuming he's improved. I just think NWB's value is him having the ball in his hands. If he isn't the primary driver of the offense his value drops considerably. That is obvious from last year too, in the first few games where he was on the wing and DJ was at the point.

Again, we'll see. The team last year was basically not good from start to finish. I don't think you can run the same 5 guys out there and hope to have the kind of success we want to have.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Wigginton was a freshman thrown into the PG role late in the season after injuries. If he wasn't taking those shots at PG who was? That team last year was a total mess at the end of the season.

He's going to be starting out in the role. I am assuming he's improved. I just think NWB's value is him having the ball in his hands. If he isn't the primary driver of the offense his value drops considerably. That is obvious from last year too, in the first few games where he was on the wing and DJ was at the point.

Again, we'll see. The team last year was basically not good from start to finish. I don't think you can run the same 5 guys out there and hope to have the kind of success we want to have.

I thought the team in the middle of the season was playing well. We had some big wins and even gave Kansas a pretty good run for its money in Lawrence.

NWB was a solid distributing PG
Wigginton and Jackson were good scoring guards/wings
Young and Lard were good Big 12 big men

Run that back, swap out Shayok for Jackson (maybe a little loss of shooting but large gains absolutely everywhere else, particularly on defense)

Go from having... basically no bench... to having a solid one

Replacing Brase and Beverly with Jacobson and THT is a big boost on its own, plus a healthy Talley... and we actually have a full rotation of Big 12 players

Maybe one more guy (Lewis as a shooter, for instance?) breaks out, too

That is cumulatively a LOT of upgrades to the roster. I never thought having NWB at point was our flaw last year -- far from it. Our flaw was a lack of horses and continuity.

We were our best when he was out there as a floor general. I doubt that changes. We were significantly worse with Jackson or Wigginton at the point.