But I would say not nearly as extensive as we see it now. It used to be maybe one kid a year would leave a basketball team. Now it's 3, 4, 5, 6 or at LSU, 13!
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Meh. People change their minds all of the time for any number of reasons. These players are preparing for their future careers. For some, that might be pro ball. For others, it might not be, but regardless, if they feel like moving to another destination would better prepare them for that career, then who are we to tell them they can't?
Any other student wouldn't have any issues doing the same, even other students on scholarships.
If a team is experiencing a lot of transfers, they should question themselves rather than the players leaving.
Yep. Regular students change schools, drop out, or take a couple of years off all the time.
You’re revising history. There has been a steady erosion of scholarship protection. Yes, they have always been year to year. But the unwritten rule that was more or less respected by coaches is that it’s a 4 year deal if the kid stays out of trouble and does what is asked.
Starting in the 90’s, programs slowly but steadily started to recruit over mistakes. It has accelerated as the transfer culture has picked up.
It’s a two way street. The players have more freedoms than ever, but less security. And that also goes for the programs. Yes, coaches have more flexibility to recruit over recruiting mistakes, but they can also lose their entire team if there is a coaching change or a bad HC runs the program into the ground.
I agree it is both sides.
It used to be much more rare to see a guy like Tre Jackson forced out. Recruit over used to mean sitting on the bench, not necessarily leaving. But it is not all forced out- a lot of it is why waster your career not playing?
If you're a fringe high major guy, it seems a lot better now to go to a mid-major over a late offer from a HM. Play a lot, get better, do well, then transfer up. Instead of riding the bench somewhere, not playing, then transferring down.
The six-year graduation rate nationally is only 63%.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40
When Tim Floyd came in, he cleaned house outside of the big 4-5 players. Several were told it was best to move on.
Not sure if it was a total cleaning out but I think there was quite a transition there too with Larry.
It's just a free agency now which is a bummer in some ways but I'll always appreciate how Tre kept at it any way he could when he wasn't playing.
The one-time transfer rule, the Covid year, and NIL (possibly to a lesser degree) have made the last few years wild. It’s always possible (likely?) that the NCAA will screw this up, but I suspect things will stabilize in the next year or two when there aren’t a bunch of upper classmen with what is essentially a use it or lose it transfer.
And every year, he tried to run Jacy off. Every single year. I think there was a kid named Derrick Hayes that was an Orr recruit that stuck around that first year of Floyd.
When does the Covid year rule end? Done now?
That may help stabilize things and we don't have to get that 'time for ______ to move on' deal.
Anyone that played last year can have a COVID year. As you know, starting next year they count for scholarships.
Those were the main ones attained.
(Going by Wiki, not cyclones.com, so can’t vouch for full validity)
Seniors gone after ’94-95: Hoiberg, Meyer, Michalik, Beechum, James Hamilton, Saun Jackson.
Returned for ’95-96: Holloway, Edwards, Modderman, Ha-Keem Abdel-Kahliq, Sol Harris.
Not on ’95-96 roster: Derrick Hayes, David Hickman, Joe Hebert.
Hayes was a great player that thrived under Orr his freshmen year. He was playing a lot at the beginning of his sophomore year under Floyd, even had 14 points in Iowa City. I'm not sure what happened. But as mentioned above he went to Detroit and had a great career. I think they even got an NCAA Tournament win his senior year.
I had forgotten about Hayes. Looked into it - averaged double figures his final two seasons at Detroit ... and you're correct, UDM was a 10-seed and reached 2nd round in '98 tournament (def. St. John's, lost to Purdue).