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Discussion on tie breakers.. it sucks..
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Win out. Then worry about the tiebreakers. Worry about the things WE have control over.
Here is my understanding, and maybe I don't understand it at all?
If ISU wins out there will be a 4-way tie for 1st place, assuming UT, OSU, and OU wins their other games. Since they all haven't played each other, it goes to Step 2.. Step 2 reads: Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings. If this is the case then Kansas is the common opponent between all 4 teams. ISU and OU both lost to KU, so that puts Texas in against OSU?
If ISU wins out there will be a 4-way tie for 1st place, assuming UT, OSU, and OU wins their other games. Since they all haven't played each other, it goes to Step 2.. Step 2 reads: Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings. If this is the case then Kansas is the common opponent between all 4 teams. ISU and OU both lost to KU, so that puts Texas in against OSU?
The way I interpret the tiebreaker, you need to next run the tiebreaker between Texas and OSU. OSU wins based on record against common opponents (5-1 vs 4-2) -- they are identical when you compare place by place because the games vs ISU and OU are ignored, but overall common opponents are different.
With OSU #1, you then start over with Texas, ISU, and OU. All three played each other and OU was 2-0, so OU gets the #2 spot.
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I would consider not losing to teams you're tied with if you don't want to be left out personally
If you're not on the team, you don't have control over anything.
As a fan, I'm interested in knowing what the possibilities (if any) are for ISU to reach the CCG.
We on here don’t have control over anything, so we can have fun and speculate/daydream/plot against OU missing the last title game
Why Texas and OS? Step 2 says: next highest placed common opponent, not opponents, and since they are all tied for first, the next highest placed common opponent can't be amongst themselves? The only two common opponents for all for are Kansas and BYU.
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We should have intentionally changed the rules for the first tie breaker to be "Team that will be in the Big 12 next year".
I mean it's a tie. Reward the actual Big 12 teams.
If they don't like it they shouldn't finish tied with OKSt/KSU/ISU etc...
So really the only scenario ISU gets to Arlington is for OU or OSU to lose 1 of their remaining games?
And obviously ISU has to beat Texas and KSU.
I'm not finding any other scenarios outside of complete chaos.
Probably the best chance at a loss is Houston upsetting OSU this week.
Possible that TCU could get OU next week.
Poor BYU, they get OU this week and OSU next week...
And obviously ISU has to beat Texas and KSU.
I'm not finding any other scenarios outside of complete chaos.
Probably the best chance at a loss is Houston upsetting OSU this week.
Possible that TCU could get OU next week.
Poor BYU, they get OU this week and OSU next week...
It would be very appropriate for us to win out and still miss the championship game. I'll still take it, though.
If we win the next two I think my mind will be blown regardless going 7-2 after starting off so poorly on offense. I was really as frustrated as I've ever been as a fan, it felt like we were intentionally trying to run the ball for 0.6 yards per carry.
Split them and I'll still be over the moon. Lose both but play well and it's a lot of confidence for the bowl we'd get at 6-6. Only bad result is getting beat down x2.
I can't remember if we tied the B12 north 2x or 3x while losing tie breakers. I'm positive it happened at least twice.
I didn't mind the ties...but the way we choked winnable games really suuuuuuuucked. That one KU game that would have won B12N outright was a top 5 groin kick.
I'd put it at about 5%. But I'm in favor of winning our games anyway.
If we don't win both of our games, it requires OU and OSU both losing at least once, plus some other things have to go just right. So just assume that won't happen.
If we win both games, we just need OSU or OU to lose a game. So It's the probability of beating Texas * probability of beating KSU * probability of OU and OSU NOT going a combined 4-0.
Tied with Colorado in '04 at 4-4, lost head-to-head.
With win over KU would have won '05 at 5-3, tied w/ Colorado, won head-to-head. (Or, just beat Baylor at home, ffs).
I'm not 100% sure if head-to-head was the main tiebreaker in those seasons, just those were the results.
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