Have you watched an ISU game? Thomas does not get many open looks at all. A lot of his three's have been step backs which is impressive and people try to run him off the line all game
Did Fred mess up not taking Peter Jok?
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Have you watched an ISU game? Thomas does not get many open looks at all. A lot of his three's have been step backs which is impressive and people try to run him off the line all game
Probably completely off topic, and may have been mentioned, but do you realize how good Iowa St would be, had Uthoff came here?
Imagine trying to defend a lineup with Uthoff and Niang at the 4&5, and Burton at the 3. Then defensively, with Uthoff, McKay, and Burton/Nader in a zone. Damn.
Imagine trying to defend a lineup with Uthoff and Niang at the 4&5, and Burton at the 3. Then defensively, with Uthoff, McKay, and Burton/Nader in a zone. Damn.
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I'm no scientist nor am I a linguist but my understanding of the phrase "wash" is that it means "equal" or "exactly the same".
So basically you're saying just throw the regular season out, throw RPI out, throw Kenpom out, the only thing that matters is that team's other than your own team have gone to the Final Four more times?
I'd be willing to wager it's within what a statistician would consider to be the margin of error. When the difference is three made baskets, it's pretty foolish to declare one as clearly better "because the stats say so".
Three made 3's would probably be the difference in winning or losing a game. Matt Thomas plays against tougher competition and shoots better from 3. Right now it's perfectly OK to say he is the better 3 pt shooter
So what you're saying is ISU's 4th option is "a wash" with Iowa's 2nd option? Sounds about right.
You can have your better three pt shooter, and ill take the better overall shooter with 120 more points to his name.
Also, the Big 12 only has two teams (KSU, and West Va) in the top 50, where as the Big Ten has 4 (MSU, Purdue, Iowa-wont count them, and Maryland). He had a good night against West Va going 3-6, and tough one against KSU going 1-3. He had a great night against Iowa, scoring 19, but then again, if you count that, that would mean you would have to admit Iowa is a good team, so I dont know if that would fit your narrative
Jok, on the other hand, has faced MSU, ranked #7 in 3pt D twice, and went 3-5 both times. Against Maryland, he had his tough one going 2-6. Against Purdue, twice, it was rough, as he went 0-6, and 1-4.
What does this tell us? Not much at all, except the whole "better competition" argument you are making isnt a good one. I could actually turn it around and say that Jok shoots against tougher competition, seeing as though hes shot against a top 50 3pt D 5 times, and Matt twice
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You can have your better three pt shooter, and ill take the better overall shooter with 120 more points to his name.
Also, the Big 12 only has two teams (KSU, and West Va) in the top 50, where as the Big Ten has 4 (MSU, Purdue, Iowa-wont count them, and Maryland). KSU and West Va are the two. He had a good night against West Va going 3-6, and tough one against KSU going 1-3. He had a great night against Iowa, scoring 19, but then again, if you count that, that would mean you would have to admit Iowa is a good team, so I dont know if that would fit your narrative
Jok, on the other hand, has faced MSU, ranked #7 in 3pt D twice, and went 3-5 both times. Against Maryland, he had his tough one going 2-6. Against Purdue, twice, it was rough, as he went 0-6, and 1-4.
What does this tell us? Not much at all, except the whole "better competition" argument you are making isnt a good one. I could actually turn it around and say that Jok shoots against tougher competition, seeing as though hes shot against a top 50 3pt D 5 times, and Matt twice
KenPom has ISU's schedule #1 in terms of Opponent AdjD. The Big 12 has the best 3 pt shooting team in the country too so that probably has something to do with 3pt Defense
The season is much more important than one game, at least for me as I cannot speak for you. I'll take the ISU loss and a 1-2 seed in March over an ISU win and a 4-5 seed every. single. day.
If Iowa's defense continues the way it has the last two games they aren't going to be a 1 or 2 seed in March