DeAndre Kane visiting next week

[LLCoolCY]

What makes you think only the big 10 is doing this? Or that it is conference policy? That was kind of my point why havent we heard what ISU is doing, if we arent offering multi years then Iowa has an instate advantage over us and if we are weird nobody has asked either way kind of odd it hasnt been covered.

Your right I didn't really reasearch it like I should have but that is the the first story that comes up when you search about 4 year scholarships. The Big 10 is the conference who uses them the most and yes Iowa is doing it (71) for the past two years. ISU not so much.

Colleges, universities slow to offer multiyear athletic scholarships - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Of the BCS conferences, the Big Ten had the best track record for offering multiyear scholarships, led by Illinois, Purdue, Ohio State, Iowa and Michigan State, which offers four-year deals to football players as part of coach Mark Dantonio's policy. The Big 12, which was the only BCS conference to formally support the override vote, had offered the fewest, with Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all having given two or fewer multiyear scholarships in two years.
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[brokenloginagain]

Apples to oranges...no college experience vs 3 years. Not saying Marshall is playing against tough competition but it's a lot easier to judge a 22 year old with experience than a 17/18 year old.

Plus our program is in a completely different situation now than it was Fred's first year

actually Kane is 24.

 

[CyTwins]

actually Kane is 24.

My bad, he will be 24 June 10th.

 

[Wesley]

actually Kane is 54.

FIFY

 

[mattyice]

A couple freshman PGs that were rated similiarly to Morris are Jelon Hornbeak and Naadir Tharpe. Might as well throw Mike Gesell in there as well. Of course MM could show up and be more Trey Burke than Naadir Tharpe, but I think Kane could help us win a couple more games next year, and I'll take that over more experience for our young guys.

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

 

[CyTwins]

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

You realize our guards like Naz and SDW were recruited more out of high school than Gessell and Clemmons. Gessell was ranked higher than SDW but both had great offers, Naz compared to Clemmons isn't even comparable. I'd take either of our guys with no experience over Clemmons.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

If you see making the tourney year over year as a drawback then I guess so.

 

[Cydkar]

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

2 NCAA tournament berths in three years is better than a "good chance" of 1 berth by year four.

 

[Bigman38]

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

We are? Was there a bball season I was unaware of between March and now?

 

[gocubs2118]

2 NCAA tournament berths in three years is better than a "good chance" of 1 berth by year four.

But you get extra points for doing it the right way.

 

[Gunnerclone]

But you get extra points for doing it the right way.

And a Sportsmanship trophy and participation ribbon. AWESOME!!!!!

 

[IAStubborn]

Your right I didn't really reasearch it like I should have but that is the the first story that comes up when you search about 4 year scholarships. The Big 10 is the conference who uses them the most and yes Iowa is doing it (71) for the past two years. ISU not so much.

Colleges, universities slow to offer multiyear athletic scholarships - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Of the BCS conferences, the Big Ten had the best track record for offering multiyear scholarships, led by Illinois, Purdue, Ohio State, Iowa and Michigan State, which offers four-year deals to football players as part of coach Mark Dantonio's policy. The Big 12, which was the only BCS conference to formally support the override vote, had offered the fewest, with Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all having given two or fewer multiyear scholarships in two years.
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That is very informative, good find. Interesting that the Big 12 doesnt seem to have embraced it. For football I think it would mainly effect our chicago and instate recruiting but for basketball since we recruit heavely in big 10 country as a Big 12 school seems as though it could hurt us. Though most kids dont think it matters because they are good enough anyway. Wonder if parents will catch on and get more demanding about this as teams like Iowa use it as a selling point against us.

 

[CyTwins]

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

I think this is my favorite part. Can't believe you're already conceding we will have a bad year. I know a lot of people don't think we'll get in the tournament this year or take a huge step back but in all reality all we have to do is finish in the top half of the big 12 and we're in. We have the talent lined up to do it and I'd bet on us making it...adding a player like DeAndre Kane if Fred wants him only makes our odds that much better.

 

[Yes13]

Um. no. Iowa got a bunch of 4 year guys and played them.....including two freshman guards last year, and are in far better shape than we are currently as far as a roster. We took the instant gratification road...which isnt wrong by any means.....but now we are seeing the issue with that. You can only patch it up for so long...at some point you need to season guys and get them time, take their lumps.

In no way am i saying Fred is wrong in his approach......but there are drawbacks to this style as well.

LOL. You know Iowa's payoff for going the "right way" might be the equivalent to what we had the last two years? and I say might because I'm still not sold they make the NCAAs next year. I also wouldn't say their roster with 3 top 150 recruits is "in far better shape" than ours with 4 top 150 recruits.

 

[CyTwins]

LOL. You know Iowa's payoff for going the "right way" might be the equivalent to what we had the last two years? and I say might because I'm still not sold they make the NCAAs next year. I also wouldn't say their roster with 3 top 150 recruits is "in far better shape" than ours with 4 top 150 recruits.

Checkmate

 

[Clonefan32]

All the transfer hate is perplexing to me. Look at the number of transfers out there, and look at the schools that are taking them. Even some of the most storied programs are taking in transfers.

To me, recruiting transfers is becoming increasingly important, almost as important as recruiting high schoolers. What you lose in building a nucleus and having guys around the program for 4 years you gain in having a proven commodity. Give me a guy that you have a few years of tape on and know can contribute for 2 years over a 4 year guy who we are evaluating against high school talent. We've seen too many freshman not pan out here to not understand the importance of bringing in guys you know can compete at the D1 level.

 

[CyTwins]

LOL. You know Iowa's payoff for going the "right way" might be the equivalent to what we had the last two years? and I say might because I'm still not sold they make the NCAAs next year. I also wouldn't say their roster with 3 top 150 recruits is "in far better shape" than ours with 4 top 150 recruits.

Just to be safe lets say 4 top 125 recruits for us

Thomas
Niang
Morris
SDW

and 3 top 125 for Iowa
Woodbury (LOL)
Gessell
Ogelsby (LOL)

in case a Hok fan claims Uthoff is a top 150 player (149) even though they made it clear that using transfers and JUCOs is the wrong way to do things

 

[mattyice]

Checkmate

Haha...because a guy you dont know agrees with you and that hes not sold iowa will make it? ha..ok....good job man!!! Update your facebook that someone actually agreed with you!! Its your day! Hooray!

Youre kidding yourself if you think the roster we have this year is beating iowa at home this year.....ill load up some coin on that. We MAY eek into the tourney again.....but its ignorant to say iowa isnt building something pretty long term over there that can actually contend....not just "hope to finish in the top half" of a bad conference as you aspire to Cytwins.

Like i said....its not a wrong approach, but id rather the 4 year guys....which wait...if they are highly recruited...SHOULDNT they be playing?....but id rather have those guys play, than sit....Not sure i like the message that sends a kid like Morris that we recruit him for years and years....only to give his spot to Johnny come lately that happened to visit for a day from another school.

 

[everyyard]

Iowa is clearly building the most special team ever in college hoops. UCLA dynasty pending. Oh well.

 

[CyTwins]

Haha...because a guy you dont know agrees with you and that hes not sold iowa will make it? ha..ok....good job man!!! Update your facebook that someone actually agreed with you!! Its your day! Hooray!

Youre kidding yourself if you think the roster we have this year is beating iowa at home this year.....ill load up some coin on that. We MAY eek into the tourney again.....but its ignorant to say iowa isnt building something pretty long term over there that can actually contend....not just "hope to finish in the top half" of a bad conference as you aspire to Cytwins.

Like i said....its not a wrong approach, but id rather the 4 year guys....which wait...if they are highly recruited...SHOULDNT they be playing?....but id rather have those guys play, than sit....Not sure i like the message that sends a kid like Morris that we recruit him for years and years....only to give his spot to Johnny come lately that happened to visit for a day from another school.

1. Don't have facebook

2. Yes I'm crazy for thinking a team like Iowa State who has more talent than a team like Iowa will beat them at home.

3. Bringing in a kid nobody wanted as your only recruit this year is really building on to that long term NIT success

4. This is where you have a hard time hiding being a troll. If you think SDW wasn't playing this year because he wasn't good enough you aren't an ISU fan