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snowcraig said:
Watch the replay again, a Mizzou player got his hand on it. Not Culby's fault. Probably not the most intelligent thing to rip on the most accurate kicker in ISU history. The more important question is why was he even kicking in the first place? Give the ball to Koch and you don't have to worry about it.
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Maybe accurate when the game is not on the line. Tell that to an NFL team while you are at it and see if they'd agree. Some of the most accurate kickers in the NFL have lost jobs over missing clutch kicks in a single game.

Carl Gomez, he may have only spent a 1/2 season as our FG kicker but that guy was clutch. Especially considering he handling all the kicking jobs by the end of his senior season.
 
He is indicative of how the program is....yeah he's ok and helps, but when we need it, he buckles....just like the team the last few years....they do well when not pressured.
 
I don't get it. Are you guys ripping on our FG kicker for missing a field goal that was partially blocked? I would think you would be on the line for letting him through.
 
I made this post in another thread, and thought it applicable to this one:

"The reason kicking was so bad in '04 because of Janssen, possibly the WORST kicker in collegiate football history(3-9FGs, really bad PATs as well), and Scott Krava, who also missed two FGs. In 2004, Culbertson missed TWO kicks, and went 4-5 beyond 30 yards. In 2005, Culbertson was 12-16 with some LONG attempts (he went 3-6 beyond 40 yards). In 2006, his stats were down, he went 8-11 on FGs, but he DIDN'T ATTEMPT A KICK FOR FOUR GAMES. He also has not yet missed ONE PAT his entire career at ISU.

Yeah, Shaggy missed a couple clutch kicks, but don't even try to say he hasn't been consistent."

I'm sick of people ragging on Culbertson because he isn't a good kicker. He's better than a lot of what's out there, people, and don't forget that he SAVED our '04 season as a walk-on. Without him, Janssen likely would have cost us another game or two. Also, don't even try to blame this season on him, because as I pointed out, he attempted ZERO FGs for four games this season.
 
No one here is blaming this season on him. What is being discussed is his inability to make the pressure kicks. He is a consistent kicker.

Consistently makes the non-pressure kicks and consistently misses the pressure ones.

Are you trying to dispute that?
 
snowcraig said:
Watch the replay again, a Mizzou player got his hand on it. Not Culby's fault. Probably not the most intelligent thing to rip on the most accurate kicker in ISU history. The more important question is why was he even kicking in the first place? Give the ball to Koch and you don't have to worry about it.
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So wait...just because a kicker is accurate he gets to be free of criticism? Tell that one to a Colt fan, because under that logic Vanderjagt, at that time the most accurate kicker in NFL history, should still be beloved in Indy instead of being a goat in Dallas.

I haven't had the luxury of seeing a replay of the game, so I'll take your word for it that a Mizzou player got his hand on it. All I know is that from my vantage point (which was on the other end of the field), I thought it was a clean kick, he just pushed it. I guess I was wrong. And you are right, we probably shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.

I just remember that after Daniels got in the end zone (but before I saw the flag) the second thought through my head, right behind a string of words that would make Baby Jesus cry, was "that's three years in a row that a missed Culbertson FG has been the difference in the final game of the season"

I guess for me, when it comes down to a kicker, the only thing I care about is how he performs in the clutch, not his accuracy. The only thing you remember a kicker for is the big one. Just ask Scott Norwood. Bret Culbertson is a good kicker, but until he proves he can hit one when it matters, people are going to rip on him. If you compare them side by side, Bret Culbertson (28/37, 0.757) is a much more accurate kicker than Dusty Mangum (50/73, 0.684), but I'd rather have Mangum on my team for the same reason why he's a legend at Texas, he hit the one that mattered.
 
you miss the whole point. Saggy never should have had to kick the ball. It was profoundly stupid not the just run the ball up the middle twice with Kock. I just can't understand not giving the ball to the guy that was having the game of his life in the position that he is best suited for.
 
CyCloned said:
you miss the whole point. Saggy never should have had to kick the ball. It was profoundly stupid not the just run the ball up the middle twice with Kock. I just can't understand not giving the ball to the guy that was having the game of his life in the position that he is best suited for.
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Well of course, horrible play calling on 3rd and goal from the 2 created the field goal try.

But the fact remains the field goal was attempted, a short one at that - and he missed it. Another clutch kick that sailed outside the uprights.

And really, his only crucial kick of the year. That's not a good stat.

Say you wanted to blame one player for the reason D-Mac is no longer here. Not the most logical thing to do and there are many factors that go into a coach being fired - but for hypothetical reasons - who is the player that consistantly had a direct hand in costing us some games that we had absolutely no business losing?
 
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superfan said:
I haven't had the luxury of seeing a replay of the game, so I'll take your word for it that a Mizzou player got his hand on it. All I know is that from my vantage point (which was on the other end of the field), I thought it was a clean kick, he just pushed it. I guess I was wrong. And you are right, we probably shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.
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The part where I didn't miss the point is highlighted. I agree, we should have run Koch up the middle, but its play-calling like this that's a major reason why we're searching for a new coach right now (I realize Cotton calls the plays, and for the record, I was in support of firing him, not Mac). However, just like how you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want or wish you had at a later time, I was commenting on the situation we had, not the situation I would have liked to have now.
 
Take a look at our kicking status before Shaggy showed up. I dare any of you to then critisize him. Folks I watched a game where I kicker missed 2 extra points in a row before him. We never would have gotten to the pressure kicks without him. Let's not forget, he walked on and bailed us out of a crappy situation. It's not the other way around. He doesn't owe us a thing.
 
Shaggy doesn't owe the fans anything, I can roll with that. But he damn well owes it to his team, when they need a big kick to win or put the last nail in the coffin on a game - that he at least makes one in his career.

I don't hate the kid, but he's oh-fer in big kicks. That's a stat that makes any coach/fan shudder. Just ask Florida State fans when they're playing Miami and need a kick to win.

I've gone on record sticking up for Shaggy before the season. I stated I hoped he would get the chance to make a big kick in a big game for ISU. Finally, in the last game of the season his opportunity show up.

Too bad he didn't, as few fans would've been happier for him than I - had that gone through.
 
CyCloned said:
you miss the whole point. Saggy never should have had to kick the ball. It was profoundly stupid not the just run the ball up the middle twice with Kock. I just can't understand not giving the ball to the guy that was having the game of his life in the position that he is best suited for.
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Who cares if we shouldn't have been kicking a FG at that point? :angry6wn: The fact is we were. Do you think Shaggy went out there thinking "Well, I don't really have to make this kick because I should be kicking the extra point instead of this 8 yard longer extra point?" Hell no.

That aside, he is accurate...just not when it counts. 3 chances to seal or win games and he is a big 0-fer. That's worrysome to me...it's not to you? Are you going to feel comfortable with Shaggy kicking a 30 yard field goal to win a game next year? Because I'm not.
 
Seriously, was the kick partially blocked or not? Because if it was, this entire discussion is moot.
 
hey is better than Yelk, McKnight, my good bud Brian Jansen, and some more, so I will take him, would you rather have Jansen again, he might be back on the team next year if the new coach will have him back, haha!
 
It's not a matter of "would you rather have someone worse".

How is that suddenly a valid argument for defending Shaggy?
 
I've been complaining about this kid ever since the Mizzou game two years ago.

If the new coach lets this kid on the team, I will be supremely disappointed.
 
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