And the fade away jumper at KU to win and the dunk over Mihm at home. Place went crazy after that.
Could this team become the best team in Cyclone MBB History?
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If the 1999-2000 team were to play this year's team, Fizer, Tinsley and company would beat them straight up.
These are different times with different competition. If this year's team goes farther, I still say the 99-00 team is better.
These are different times with different competition. If this year's team goes farther, I still say the 99-00 team is better.
If Martin does not get hurt, Cincy gets placed in the bracket with Mich State and ISU would have been in a different regional... and likely makes the final 4.
You could make the case that Hoiberg’s last two teams could beat this current team too. I don’t think our current defense would be able to fluster the veteran guard play.
The other weird thing about the seedings in 2000 was the Big 12 got six teams in the tourney, tied with the Big 10 and SEC for most teams. So it wasn't like the committee thought the league was overall weak.
The #1 seeds in 2000 were:
The #2 seeds were:
The #1 seeds in 2000 were:
- Duke: 28-4 (15-1), ACC regular season and tourney champs, 3-3 vs. ranked teams
- Stanford: 26-3 (15-3), Pac-10 regular season co-champs, no tourney, 3-2 vs. ranked teams
- Arizona: 26-6 (15-3), Pac-10 regular season co-champs, no tourney, 7-1 vs. ranked teams
- Michigan State: 26-7 (13-3), Big 10 regular season and tourney champs, 5-4 vs. ranked teams
The #2 seeds were:
- Iowa State: 29-4 (14-2), Big 12 regular season and tourney champs, 6-2 vs. ranked teams
- Temple: 26-5 (14-2), A10 regular season and tourney champs, 3-0 vs. ranked teams
- Cincinnati: 28-3 (16-0), CUSA regular season champs, 3-1 vs. ranked teams
- St. John's: 24-7 (12-4), Big East 3rd place and tourney champs, 7-2 vs. ranked teams
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This years team may be the most accomplished but I would ride with 99-00 over just about any team, let alone ISU. They were really really strong.
I agree the 2000 team was the best. I was thinking we might want to have someone talk to Gary Thompson about the team that beat Wilt and our only Final 4 team back in the 40's.
I also was curious how the Massey ratings looked in 2000:
1 Duke
2 Michigan St.
3 Stanford
4 Cincinnati
5 Florida
6 The Cyclones!
7 Temple
8 Tulsa
9 Oklahoma St
10 Ohio St
11 Oklahoma
12 Texas
.... 23 Kansas
The Massey rankings currently have us at 10.
This is true and yet this may be the “most complete” and deep team we’ve had. It’s a breaking of the mold.
Similar in ways to what MC’s done w football. We’ve had better high end talent, but not in the two deep.
It’s has the talent, the grit, and the spirit. And a better cohesiveness that it just knows how to win.
Previous ISU success always felt like a delicate lightening in a bottle.
CycloneErik
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It's well documented that the ISU administration pushed for the Midwest 2 seed over the West 1 seed so the team could get the first 2 rounds in Minneapolis. At the time it was understandable because nothing is guaranteed in March and to get basically 2 home games right off the bat is huge. It became one of the biggest mistakes in ISU athletics history with hind sight considering two 8 seeds a 5 seed and 1 seed Michigan State made the final 4. ISU truly lost in the national championship it just happened to be the elite 8.
I like the enthusiasm of the OP, but there are a lot of games left in the season. I'll be happy to beat Tech tomorrow!! TT's a very solid team as evidenced by their only being 1 game behind ISU in the Big12 standings.
I'm of the "take it one game at a time" mentality because it seems like every regular season consists of winning and losing streaks. We're on a real nice run right now (6 of 7), but I could easily see a couple losses in the coming games.
A team's historical success is always measured by March wins- Big12 Championships and deep NCAA Tournament run.
I'm of the "take it one game at a time" mentality because it seems like every regular season consists of winning and losing streaks. We're on a real nice run right now (6 of 7), but I could easily see a couple losses in the coming games.
A team's historical success is always measured by March wins- Big12 Championships and deep NCAA Tournament run.
Word.
Kantrail was a fullback that could guard 1 - 3 (maybe 4) with great handles, a beautiful shooting stroke, and a high basketball IQ. Belongs on the all time “Cyclone underrated” team. Just an all-around great basketball player, and as physically strong/tough of a guard we have EVER had.
My biggest issue with it at the time was, take the name off the ISU Jersey, put Kansas on it and with the same resume, easily would have been a #1 seed that year. That was some serious ****ery that year.
They haven't accomplished anything yet or are you talking hypotheticals?
This team doesn’t yet have a guy who can put the team on his back and get the win. Fizer was that type of player for sure…Niang too. I could possibly make the argument Kane was the best for a stretch there. Brockington definitely had that quality. I believe this team has 3 or 4 guys that may have it in them, but right now they aren’t quite there. This looks like a Sweet 16 team to me…and hoping they continue to shoot free throws the way they have the last couple games…and find that guy that can close out games.
I worked with a half dozen MSU engineers back then at a large factory in Omaha. They thought their team had earned the win. That was hard to take. All the Nebraska grads I worked with saw the game for what it was: a total screw job. “The blarge.“ The multiple uncalled “over the backs” which was the only way Sparty could get a rebound. The call that got Larry ejected. No wonder he drank!
That will be balanced by recency bias. In other news, humans are quite silly.