Could this happen during expansion?
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That and a pretty sizable pay cut.
Texas almost makes that NOW. Plus the Big 12 will get a similar windfall once its TV rights come due for renewal.
You know Delany is thinking about how to leverage this info and what's happening in the ACC in a way that will benefit the B1G. I don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if he punted Bowlsby in the nads and undercut the Big 12 by making a move.
So did the GOR suddenly get revoked? In order to get around that you have to have a majority of teams vote to disband the league. 4 teams leaving is not enough. So while this is possible in the future, it isn't happening now.
What if the B1G and the Big12 merged? You'd have 24 teams, and could have 2 twelve-team divisions for FB. You could have 9 conf games - 8 like the old Big12 schedule, and one more from the other division. Or you could go full on to 10 conf games, and play 2 from the other side. ISU has been doing that for some time with 9 Big12 plus IA, so why not?
Just move IA, Minny, and Nebby to the Big12 to make a West division, and WV to the East and you are there.
Yeah, half the conference you would hardly ever see, and unbalanced schedules could be an issue.
It would bring in a ton of viewers for the Big24 network, so $$ should be OK. If you went to 10 conf games it would be even bigger. You would have enough content, maybe you could send the 3rd tier stuff back to the schools (for B1G), to keep Texas happy. It would give you unprecedented size and power, maybe even overshadow the SEC.
I think a lot of folks in the midwest would be happy about this, and the big brand schools would prob not care as long as their $ is the same.
Yes I know this will never happen. Just spitballing.
Just move IA, Minny, and Nebby to the Big12 to make a West division, and WV to the East and you are there.
Yeah, half the conference you would hardly ever see, and unbalanced schedules could be an issue.
It would bring in a ton of viewers for the Big24 network, so $$ should be OK. If you went to 10 conf games it would be even bigger. You would have enough content, maybe you could send the 3rd tier stuff back to the schools (for B1G), to keep Texas happy. It would give you unprecedented size and power, maybe even overshadow the SEC.
I think a lot of folks in the midwest would be happy about this, and the big brand schools would prob not care as long as their $ is the same.
Yes I know this will never happen. Just spitballing.
http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-auctions-off-league-membership-for-big-money-072016
another interesting piece. What happens down the road if this is what is taking place????
another interesting piece. What happens down the road if this is what is taking place????
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Am I the only person who read that extensive article on the troubles ESPN is having with subscriber decline? So much so that Disney is trying to offload ESPN. So, let's take a step back and look at the even larger picture. Those of you who see a rosy picture for ESPN in the arena with Tier 3 rights with gobs of money to obligate themselves to, you're only fooling yourself. 10 years down the road, the model we have for television will be 100% different. I wouldn't be surprised if they structure a PPV with tier 3 rights. But, one thing I'm confident of: those planning using today's model will be screwed in the future. And, the 'motivation' around alignment, though still be driven by money, will have a different look. The day Pollard got the job, I wrote him about this concept. Though I can't take credit for cyclones.tv, it certainly met my vision. As long as we have this forward thinker, we're in good shape.
It's not so much Texas I'm concerned about as Oklahoma. If either of them don't sign a GOR extension, it's only a matter of time until they leave and the thing starts to crumble.
And I wouldn't be so sure about the equal windfall. There's a reason the B12 has lagged for years and is the conference sitting at a disadvantage. A lot of flyover land outside of Texas. And even if television sets matter less (as CW theorizes), there will be some measure of value by team. And the "brands" of KSU, Tech, Iowa State and Baylor (assuming fall back in football program) are not really needle-movers, nor would Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Tulane be.
Texas would make more in the B1G. Its not money that keeps it from the B1G it is in the past not having enough regional partners that are built around playing the Texas brand in the area and going to the B1G with just OU or even KU and Nebraska already there do not do that.
The problem is if fans have become so dissatisfied with the slate of games Texas has on the schedule that they see a drop in ticket demand which they have been. That could be Texas own poor performance or the lack of marquee games in fans opinion that buy tickets. I'm sure if the tickets are down the fundraising is as well.
Maybe Texas does an about face and feels like they have elevated the Baylors & TCU's by playing them and decides to go with the league with more bluebloods and standout teams. I think this is probably short sighted and it was more due to the fact Baylor & TCU got hall of fame coaches in Briles and Patterson. But who knows.
Since it seems Texas is set against the SEC, I think Texas' best course of action is to try and get quality regional adds such as Arizona schools, Colorado, or while its harder Arkansas & Missouri if they can convince them on a regional conference being better. Or do a merger where they take an equal amount of teams from the Big 12 to the PAC probably 8 being the most. WVU could go east and one other school doesn't come.
Disney is NOT trying to 'offload' ESPN.
ESPN has gone from insanely profitable down to really profitable.
And the model may change but the same players will still own the rights to the games. There may be less cable subscribers, they will then charge MORE for PPV because the hard core fans will always pay for it.
The next model won't be cheaper for sports fans, it will be more expensive.
But I repeat, Disney is NOT selling ESPN.
Expansion is fool's gold without a GoR extension. If we expand with no path to a GoR extension, then you will have your answer.
It's unfair to new teams who you are bringing in based on their potential. They'll have 4-5 years to try and deliver significant value without a GoR extension.
It's unfair to new teams who you are bringing in based on their potential. They'll have 4-5 years to try and deliver significant value without a GoR extension.
I am so tired of just completel misinformation...Show me a single scenerio where Texas makes more $$ going to the BIG? Show me one..There are the facts and they are published on the Internet for anyone who knows how to use google:
2015 TV revenue:
1- Every single BIG team= $30 million
2- Texas= $48 million
Now fast forward 5 years where the new BIG tv deal is in place and has been and each team is making let's say $50 mil (some reports say closer to $45 mil but let's go high)...The big 12 contract is set up to increase every single year in payout to a max of $43 mil per team in 2024..So let's say 5 years from now Texas makes $39 million from big 12 payout+ the LHN (remember you have to add LHN and Tier 3 which isn't included in Big 12 Tv revenue payout by the conf.) = $39 mil+$15 mil= $54 million Texas roughly makes 5 years from now. So basically by staying in the big 12 Texas is making probably $50-$70 million more than any other BIG team over a 5 year period...But yea Texas will make more in the BIG.
How many times does this have to be explained?
I have posted this in other threads, but IMO the Big12 needs to go big with this round of expansion. Otherwise why would Texas or Oklahoma agree to extend their GOR? Those two schools might as well declare their free agency to the Big10 and SEC and see what money is being offered.
IMO the only way for the Big12 to survive is to combine with the Pac12 and allow schools to keep their 3rd tier rights. The problem, I don't see a 24 team merged Big12/Pac12 confernce making sense. I could see a 16-18 team conference comprised of the teams that can maximize the merged Pac12/Big12 TV revenue. I could see such a conference push the SEC/Big10 for TV revenue.
At some point, college football needs stability. This constant confernce restructuring really benefits no conference. At some point do the CFB decisionmakers take a big picture view. Is an 8 teams playoff the future? If so, what is the most efficient method for determining those 8 team. IMO having a committee decide is crazy vs. having conference/division champs automatically qualify. Bowlsby alluded to this type of structure during his interview on KXNO a few weeks ago.
IMO the only way for the Big12 to survive is to combine with the Pac12 and allow schools to keep their 3rd tier rights. The problem, I don't see a 24 team merged Big12/Pac12 confernce making sense. I could see a 16-18 team conference comprised of the teams that can maximize the merged Pac12/Big12 TV revenue. I could see such a conference push the SEC/Big10 for TV revenue.
At some point, college football needs stability. This constant confernce restructuring really benefits no conference. At some point do the CFB decisionmakers take a big picture view. Is an 8 teams playoff the future? If so, what is the most efficient method for determining those 8 team. IMO having a committee decide is crazy vs. having conference/division champs automatically qualify. Bowlsby alluded to this type of structure during his interview on KXNO a few weeks ago.
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