Common Sense Lost in Schools??

i don't know about that. just go take the knife away from the girl, explain the situation, and call the mother and explain it to her.

Exactly... why did they suspend first, rather than just take the knife away? I'm assuming that would've been pretty easy.

Something needed to be done, for sure... and that was to take the knife away.
 
It is really sad that this is what thigns have come to. We can thank a buzz phrase for all of this - "Zero Tolerance"

While it is sad, there is usually some outrage that comes about from this (due to the sheer stupidity of the situation) and as I understand it a number of school districts are re-evaluating the Zero Tolerance policy.... unfortuantly thats not happening fast enough :no:

Lets face it folks, we live in a stupid society

And the educational system wants to continue to churn out medicated followers who don't have a creative thought in their head and will never challenge authority or ask a question.
 
I think the schools response seems very appropriate, and hopefully this will lead to some new knife control laws. Maybe the government should set up a new registration system and require people to take a knife safety course before they can use knives.

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I agree! Too many little girls buying illegal knives out of the backs of conversion vans in back alleyways. This must be stopped! Call your state representatives!!!
 
I guess what puzzles me is why the girl needed to be arrested and taken to a juvenile center. I understand that may be protocol, but to say that "we aggressively report it because we don't want to take any chances, regardless" is pretty bogus. Once you took the knife away and took her to the principal's office, what was she gonna do? Stab someone with a pen off the secretary's desk? Just call her mom and send her home with the suspension. Talk about trama for a little girl.

Here's the thing. What indications do we have about the student's home life? Many of us are assuming that it's a "normal" home life that isn't abusive, her parents actually watch over her, and this child has had no previous violent outbursts in the school. If any of those hold true, calling and sending home won't do anything, especially if it's been done before.
 
Here is my solution:

Let every kid in the school fight every other kid. Record the winners and develop a heirarchy. That way when Johnny who is ranked 9th fights Billy who is ranked 3rd, the teacher can tell Johnny what a moron he is for fighting Billy and he will be so humiliated he will run away. By the time he comes back, no one will remember the fight!

Would save $$$$ in therapy and drugs.
 
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Here's the thing. What indications do we have about the student's home life? Many of us are assuming that it's a "normal" home life that isn't abusive, her parents actually watch over her, and this child has had no previous violent outbursts in the school. If any of those hold true, calling and sending home won't do anything, especially if it's been done before.
well, i suppose you have a point there - that's something I really didn't think about. Still, i don't know that an arrest does any good, but i see what you mean about perhaps just sending her home would either
 
The way things are at schools today, would it have mattered if it were a butter knife? A knife of any kind, probably would have resulted in the same treatment.
 
Here's the thing. What indications do we have about the student's home life? Many of us are assuming that it's a "normal" home life that isn't abusive, her parents actually watch over her, and this child has had no previous violent outbursts in the school. If any of those hold true, calling and sending home won't do anything, especially if it's been done before.

Very valid point. I once worked in a school with 90% mobility and where at conferences, the teachers basically just worked in their rooms, because parents simply didn't come.
 
I think it is time the government commission a multi billion dollar study to assess the link between using a knife to cut steak and violent crime. It is high time we stop ignoring the correlation between cutting meat with a knife and violent crime.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if virtually all violent criminals at one point in their life used a knife to cut meat. It's time to stop the insanity and ban the production of knives.

Why did God give us teeth if were going to cut things with knives?

Warning: Sarcasm included.
 
I know this is a stupid problem to be having, but who brings a steak knife to school?

Somebody eating steak.

Here's the stupid part

"Anytime there's a weapon on campus, yes, we have to report it and we aggressively report it because we don't want to take any chances, regardless," Christian said.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I plan on freaking out and dialing 911 next time I go to 801 steak and chop. :wink: It's a steak knife - not a machette, not a handgun, not a switchblade. Little context here.

And also.

The girl now faces a felony charge for possessing a weapon on school property and has been suspended from school for 10 days.

Felony - but only 10 day suspension. Little disjointed.

The fact that we're to the point where we legitimately consider a steak knife as a "weapon" is just too sad to even really remark upon.

Besides - why stop there. Do you realize the damage that can be done with a fork?
 
And the educational system wants to continue to churn out medicated followers who don't have a creative thought in their head and will never challenge authority or ask a question.

We throw kids in jail for using the proper untensil for their meal (abliet maybe in an inappropriate situation)

Mean while in China they're teaching their kids to hack the US government's webpages, as well as the webpages of major companies in the US and Britain :rolleyes:

And in South Korea they send their smart people over here to get paid (living stipends, housing, ect) $50,000/year plus research costs for their Masters or PhD's, then we kick them out because their student visas have expired...


I'm really hoping our next president takes and interest in domestic issues like education and health care... and while we're on it lets put caps on lawsuits - some of those Jury awarded lawsuits are ****ing rediculous
 
I think the schools response seems very appropriate, and hopefully this will lead to some new knife control laws. Maybe the government should set up a new registration system and require people to take a knife safety course before they can use knives.

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This reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Bart unintentionally joins the Junior Campers after he and Milhouse have an all-high Super Squishy binge. He wants to quit because it's lame, but then he finds out he gets to play Swiss Army knifes. So he has to read a book--Don't Do What Donny Don't Does--which depicts the delightful youngster Donny Don't shooting knives at helpless little animals, etc.
 
Somebody eating steak.

Here's the stupid part

"Anytime there's a weapon on campus, yes, we have to report it and we aggressively report it because we don't want to take any chances, regardless," Christian said.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I plan on freaking out and dialing 911 next time I go to 801 steak and chop. :wink: It's a steak knife - not a machette, not a handgun, not a switchblade. Little context here.

And also.

The girl now faces a felony charge for possessing a weapon on school property and has been suspended from school for 10 days.

Felony - but only 10 day suspension. Little disjointed.

The fact that we're to the point where we legitimately consider a steak knife as a "weapon" is just too sad to even really remark upon.

10 day suspension + felony charges. School punishment plus legal punishment


And yes, the fact that a dinner utensil is a weapon is pretty sad. By that definition a pencil or pen could be a weapon... or a backpack full of books. Those things were freak'n heavy.

Oh lets not forget paper... paper can cut you! :confused:

Insted of preparing kids for a bright future the school is tramatizing them and ruining their lives before they even really began...
 
I guess what puzzles me is why the girl needed to be arrested and taken to a juvenile center. I understand that may be protocol, but to say that "we aggressively report it because we don't want to take any chances, regardless" is pretty bogus. Once you took the knife away and took her to the principal's office, what was she gonna do? Stab someone with a pen off the secretary's desk? Just call her mom and send her home with the suspension. Talk about trama for a little girl.

Next they should suspend their lunch staff for handing out forks with lunch. Those tines can cause quite a mess when used as a weapon. They should be forced to hand out plastic sporks.

And if a school is short on money, just have them make a couple of trips to KFC to pocket all they can.

Of course, I'm not serious here. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. What liability will a school have when a kid goes nuts with a lunchroom fork?

<sigh>
 
This reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Bart unintentionally joins the Junior Campers after he and Milhouse have an all-high Super Squishy binge. He wants to quit because it's lame, but then he finds out he gets to play Swiss Army knifes. So he has to read a book--Don't Do What Donny Don't Does--which depicts the delightful youngster Donny Don't shooting knives at helpless little animals, etc.

Fav. quotes from that episode

"awwww they won't let you have any fun!" -after reading the book

Bart-"Dad we're planning a father-son river rafting trip!"
Homer-"Ha ha! You don't have a son!"
 
Note to every school in the world: People can harm others with pencils, pens, rulers, books, backpacks, their own appendages and many other things allowed in school. Please take each case as an individual case.
 
10 day suspension + felony charges. School punishment plus legal punishment


And yes, the fact that a dinner utensil is a weapon is pretty sad. By that definition a pencil or pen could be a weapon... or a backpack full of books. Those things were freak'n heavy.

Oh lets not forget paper... paper can cut you! :confused:

Insted of preparing kids for a bright future the school is tramatizing them and ruining their lives before they even really began...

"Class, little Suzy is back from her suspension. But she'll be in and out as she prepares to fight off her felony trial for having lunch two weeks ago - so let's all support her. Ok? Suzy, we're all your friends here. Well, except for me who's been called to testify against you for the state. So I've been ordered by the district's attorneys not to have any personal contact with you going forward. So if you could ask any questions through a 3rd party, and get your homework assignments from classmates, that would be best."

"By the way. Billy, Jill and Ann - you've been subpoenaed as well and are under a court issued gag order"

:wacko:
 
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