Oklahoma could become the next Nebraska if they go to the SEC. I don't see this as a good football move for them. I see OU, Ohio State, Clemson, Bama, and LSU a the top teams in the country year in and year out. OU is a top dog, they won't be a top dog in the SEC. So they may get more money but they won't be the big dog anymore. Much like Nebraska was a big dog and left to Big 10.
COLUMN: What happens to Iowa State if the Big 12 implodes?
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I know what your point is. And teams would rather go 8-4 in a new SEC with an expanded playoff than go 12-0 in a lousy Big 12. Those schools want to play with the other big boys. Texas and OU have felt like they were playing in the sandbox with children for years.
Texas is one of the children in the sandbox.
You must really like being bashed. This is utterly ridiculous thinking. Add it to your other ridiculous posts.
It's not going to offset the total revenue you are getting from the SEC media deals. Missouri is raising more money now than they were in the big 12 from boosters. They love being an SEC school.
That patented Coach Hines high kick may boot us all the way to DIII. Grinnell, we're comin' for you!
It was already known at the time of the offer that Nebraska would be losing their AAU status. And they have made no effort to regain admission in the time since, despite its importance. If you are hanging your hat on this, you might want to think about it some more.
The arrogates the EIU fans and fans of the big 10 never stops amazing me. They truly believe that just by asking UV, UNC they will leave a conference they founded just like Maryland did. Hint Maryland was broke, losing 10s of million each year and needed the money, the ACC schools you mentioned are not. They also have committed themselves to the ACC and their new network that is backed by ESPN. So those schools along with ND or going no where for the next 10 to 15 years.
Poach the Pac 12 schools, ok better money, but what school is going to want to fly 2 and 3 time zones away unless the money just blows them away or they are forced to like the Big 12 soon might be? Somehow I just can't imagine USC, UCLA and Stanford thinking we are just going to blow up the league they are in for the greener grass in the Big 10.
No school is going to be leaving the SEC either, because if this deal goes through they will all be swimming in money from their new TV deal.
Will the Big 10 love taking KU and ISU, nope, but they will also be smart enough to realize those are only schools left with the academics willing to move. By doing nothing they fall further behind the SEC.
Smart Big 10 coaches would be concerned that ISU joins the Big 10 and CMC stays at ISU for a long time. RIGHT?
I don't understand this thinking. OU is absolutely built to compete and win in the SEC, against teams not named Alabama.
Crazy that Big 12 media days was just a minute ago and everything seemed better than fine. This is like your wife handing you divorce papers after a lovely vacation with her whole family. Turns out she's been planning her escape for months now, and you didn't have a clue.
No matter what happens I have a good feeling about Matt Campbell. If ISU is left out of the party, he would have every reason to look elsewhere and little reason to stay. We all would understand that. But he is Matt Campbell. Loyalty and a challenge are important to him. Going against the grain and not necessarily 'falling in line', is important to him.
I think he will ride this out, whatever "this" is, as the head coach at Iowa State.
I am also tired of Texas and OU, unless something comes out soon that they are using this as a ploy to better the Big 12 and keep it intact. That just doesn't seem the case though for TX; it could be for OU.
Iowa State pulls through this either in a P4 or 5 conference, somehow. So glad we have our current coaches and AD Jamie Pollard to help get us through whatever is ahead.
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Agree with everything. But, this is all predicated on ESPN not falling on hard times. Trust me. This power move by them is a very big gamble to right the already listing ship. Especially, as their cash cow (ie cable) continues to decline. Now, the fact Disney is backing them doesn't mean Disney won't see the woes of their ways and sell ESPN off. Upon which, oh boy. That balance sheet better look good.
I guess I'd be embarrassed enough to leave if i was getting regularly beat over the last 10 years by the kids in the sandbox.
Nebraska was built to compete against everyone in the country also. However, leaving what they knew and being a big dog, going head to head against Ohio State. They are no longer the top dog. It could easily happen to Oklahoma. So they basically go from having to play Texas and one other team to make it to the College football playoff to having to play Bama, Auburn, Florida, LSU and the rest of that wrecking crew to make it to the title. That could easily put them in the second tier of the SEC with the Mississippi, South Carolina, and those type of teams. Much like Nebraska has dropped down to the Iowa, Purdue, Michigan state level.
Except with a 24-32 team league they won't be monster games nationally, they will be monster to the fans of teams in the league and no one else.
The success of an NFL-lite league is completely dependent on a good chunk of fans of the other 30-40 P5 conferences adopting one of these teams that's in the club. That's not going to happen. I'm not sure of the time frame, but ultimately that model will NOT be lucrative.
Right now these games are huge because:
A. there is still SOME level of passive viewership, though with so many options, more migration from network TV that becomes less and less all the time. So you simply can't count on this at all moving forward.
B. There are fans of the 60ish teams in P5 conference that have a connection in some way. When that is gone those viewers won't watch, and they sure as hell won't go out of their way to watch/subscribe, which is the way it's moving. The idea that fans of teams that have almost no chance of a playoff or national title don't matter is idiotic and so clearly false.
C. Pretty much every college FB fan is an NFL fan, but the opposite is most certainly not true. Fans of teams that get left out aren't going to decide to jump on the bandwagon of a team in NFL-lite. They'll just keep watching the NFL. They can't look at the league, see that they've got all the regions covered and think it's going to work. "well, we've got Michigan and OSU, so the great lakes region is covered." No, Wisconsin, Minn, Indiana, Purdue, etc. fans will just be strictly Packers, Vikings and Colts fans. They aren't going to start rooting for Michigan an Ohio State, and if their school has no tie, they aren't going to watch.
I think a P5 type breakaway with about 60 teams would be the optimum for keeping college football a big money maker.
I don't know the answer but people have been arguing about research money and CIC funding(I believe that is the B1G association). It has been mentioned CIC funding dwarfs athletics. If that is the case UT & OU would be headed to the B1G not SEC. It tends to make me believe the CIC funding argument was not correct if they head to the SEC.
Nebraska's struggles have zero to do with going to the Big 10. Zero. They've continued to recruit well despite being irrelevant and sucking, so the "they lost recruiting grounds" theory doesn't prove out.
Here's what it comes down to:
- When the scholarship limit dropped and they could no longer offer partial qualifiers, they lost an advantage, but were still pretty good under Solich, because he was a pretty good coach
- They weren't very good in the Big 12 under Calahan because he wasn't a very good head coach
- They were very good in the Big 12 under Pelini because he was a pretty good coach
- They were very good in the Big 10 under Pelini because he was a pretty good coach
- They were mediocre in the Big 10 under Riley because he was a mediocre coach
- They aren't very good in the Big 10 under Frost because he's looking like he's not that good a head coach.
Same with Mizzou. Their success and struggles are all Pinkel vs. everyone else.
Correlate Mizzou, TAMU, Nebraska, and these schools success. It crosses over conference moves, and correlates incredibly well with who the coach is.
Good coach = good team. Bad coach = bad team. Conference means very little...
Up to now anyway.
It was only like 5 years ago when ISU was getting their asses kicked by KU. We probably shouldn't get too cocky.