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*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Sunday, June 7 ***

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Not to mention we were paying Hoiberg $2M/year before. A quality P5 guy who's been able to get to the tournament will see what we were paying Hoiberg and ask for at least that much, if not more (especially if the guy already makes more than that).

That would be like you going for a Senior VP position, finding out that the previous guy made $300K and you are like "Well, I'm only going to try and get $200K out of it even though they paid the previous guy $300K."
 
Rhoadhoused said:
Shaka Smart was the hottest coach in the entire country, and his raise going to mothereffing Texas was only $1.5 million after years and years of schools trying to grab him.

ISU isn't offering $2 million more to a middle of the road P5 coach.
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ISU is not Texas. Not even in the same tier.

And 2 million would be the north end. A guy making 1.5 to 2 at a non-P5 or lower P5 may jump to ISU for 3 to 4. The guys you bolded on the list have better jobs, so unless they are disgruntled, they are not coming to ISU in June for a normal large jump.
 
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All I really have to add is that Memphis is getting screwed. Can't believe Pastner is that high on the salary list. For what??
 
swarthmoreCY said:
No, they would use it for negotiations, have the gap closed, and send JP a thank you.
Name a P5 coach that has made a lateral, and in most of those cases a step down, in June for anything but a huge increase in pay. Guys at programs like Michigan, Pitt, and NC St are not moving to ISU in June without a insane pay increase. One so large that they could not get the same increase by waiting until next March.

The $3 or $4 million number is to basically do what we would be doing for a midmajor- double their pay.
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Give me an example that you think would fit your scenario. It doesn't make sense. The salaries just aren't the way you guys are talking about it.


marothisu said:
I never said it happens all the time. I said that more high calibur guys have room to demand more money as they know if they don't get the job, they still have their current job anyway.
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I don't care if it happens all the time, I care if there is literally any precedent.

Throw a name out that you think ISU is going to pay at the level of Thad Matta, Sean Miller, Tom Crean, Bo Ryan, ect that is making $1.5 million or less this year?
 
Rhoadhoused said:
I don't care if it happens all the time, I care if there is literally any precedent.

Throw a name out that you think ISU is going to pay at the level of Thad Matta, Sean Miller, Tom Crean, Bo Ryan, ect that is making $1.5 million or less this year?
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ISU was already paying Hoiberg $2M/year. Why in the living **** would a successful P5 coach who has a track record of success see that and take less money? You are crazy if you think that they would.

If you were in that position, a successful coach at a P5 conference who's gotten to the tournament more than once in the last few years and you saw the previous guy's salary - would you honestly demand less money?
 
marothisu said:
ISU was already paying Hoiberg $2M/year. Why in the living **** would a successful P5 coach who has a track record of success see that and take less money? You are crazy if you think that they would.
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In what world is a $1 million raise over $2.7 million less than $2 million per year?

Are you even reading what I'm posting.

I'm talking about raises, not total salaries.

You seem to be positive no coach would come here without a $2 million raise in salary, so who are we paying $3-$3.5 million a year who is making $1 to $1.5 million this year?
 
Rhoadhoused said:
I am under the impression that these coaches are not in the category. These are guys we would be extremely excited about if we hired them and they'd be worth the money. Once you go down the list even a little bit you get to the Prohms, the Underwoods, ect. I doubt those type of guys are who we are talking about.
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There are many great coaches that fans would be extremely excited for currently in the 1.5 to 2 million range that would need $3 to $4 to jump.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
In what world is a $1 million raise over $2.7 million less than $2 million per year?

Are you even reading what I'm posting.

I'm talking about raises, not total salaries.
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I was talking about overall salaries the entire time. Let me ask you this again. If you are a successful P5 coach who has gotten to the NCAA tournament 3 times in the last 5 year and are making $1.25M at your current job, and know that ISU paid Hoiberg $2M/year (and created a contract for that amount of money over the next 10 years), would you ask for less than $2M in your salary?
 
marothisu said:
ISU was already paying Hoiberg $2M/year. Why in the living **** would a successful P5 coach who has a track record of success see that and take less money? You are crazy if you think that they would.

If you were in that position, a successful coach at a P5 conference who's gotten to the tournament more than once in the last few years and you saw the previous guy's salary - would you honestly demand less money?
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No one is saying that.

I think Rhoadhoused is saying that we aren't gonna get a guy making $1.5 mil right now and bump him to $3.5 mil.

Jeremy said these surprise candidates might command that much money, so people who are arguing that a current $1.5 mil coach is one of those surprises are probably wrong about that if Jeremy is actually right about how much they would command.

Then again, what do any of us know; we are all arguing over nothing right now because there are no new names out there.
 
JP is still our AD correct? Ok just checking because the day I see our AD hire a coach for more than $3mil is the day my hair grows back.
 
swarthmoreCY said:
There are many great coaches that fans would be extremely excited for currently in the 1.5 to 2 million range that would need $3 to $4 to jump.
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There's a difference between a golf clap, "Good hire folks" pat each other on the back hire and a hire that stirs the fanbase up and is a huge splash.

That's what I would expect for the imaginary $3+ or $4 million that Jeremy is talking about.

But I guess some other think a $1 million to $1.5 million raise is not enough.

This is probably a waste of breath anyway since the candidates are darkhorses anyway.
 
marothisu said:
I was talking about overall salaries the entire time. Let me ask you this again. If you are a successful P5 coach who has gotten to the NCAA tournament 3 times in the last 5 year and are making $1.25M at your current job, and know that ISU paid Hoiberg $2M/year (and created a contract for that amount of money over the next 10 years), would you ask for less than $2M in your salary?
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I think you are misunderstanding.

Re read all of my posts.

They are all talking about RAISES.
 
CyFan61 said:
No one is saying that.

I think Rhoadhoused is saying that we aren't gonna get a guy making $1.5 mil right now and bump him to $3.5 mil.

Jeremy said these surprise candidates might command that much money, so people who are arguing that a current $1.5 mil coach is one of those surprises are probably wrong about that if Jeremy is actually right about how much they would command.

Then again, what do any of us know; we are all arguing over nothing right now because there are no new names out there.
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Everything in this post is correct.

I'm gonna focus on watching LeBron be forced to hero ball the Cavs to an NBA Finals win.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
I think you are misunderstanding.

Re read all of my posts.

They are all talking about RAISES.
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If you read between the lines, my question is about a raise. Answer the question - would you demand less than $2M, the salary of the last head coach, if you were making $1.25M currently at another, similar job?
 
gocubs2118 said:
Give me an example of a team that's had an opening as good as we have for next year, in June?
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First, how good is the job? First round exit good? Coaches don't think in teams, they think in terms of programs. A nice team next year that should make the tournament, but this is a major challenge. Plus following Hoiberg.

take out June if you would like and look at late spring. Most openings late are probably filled internally or with interim tags. Not many coaches wait as long as Hoiberg did to leave.
 
marothisu said:
If you read between the lines, my question is about a raise. Answer the question - would you demand less than $2M, the salary of the last head coach, if you were making $1.25M currently at another, similar job?
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Why are you asking this? Can you show me a post making that argument? This is an obvious strawman.
 
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