COACHING SEARCH: Campbell up, Fleck down

[CloneIce]

How hard is it though. It isn't like the majority of jobs aren't going to be the same way. In the majority of jobs I would think that this would extend to the actual job.

How hard is it for our AD to care more about building a winning football program than some little thing like a curse word? Also, you are wrong, that does not extend to the actual job for the majority of jobs. Hoiberg, Orr, Eustachy, CPR - they all cussed like sailors on the job.

In a case like Harbaugh, JP needs to put aside his delicate sensibilities and do what is best for ISU Football.

 

[twincyties]

Who the hell cares what religion someone is for head coach? If religion comes into play at all Pollard should be fired for that. We're hiring a football coach, not the leader of the local FCA.



Have you ever talked with Pollard? He is about as socially awkward as a World of Warcraft player. I don't think weirdness would turn him off of a candidate.

This x 2.

 

[Die4Cy]

How hard is it for our AD to care more about building a winning football program than some little thing like a curse word?

Link?

Some of you guys get a little carried away at times.

 

[jkclone]

How hard is it for our AD to care more about building a winning football program than some little thing like a curse word? Also, you are wrong, that does not extend to the actual job for the majority of jobs. Hoiberg, Orr, Eustachy, CPR - they all cussed like sailors on the job.

So coaches are the majority of the jobs in the country?
Obviously coaches will during their job. Not saying they shouldn't, but they can turn it off for the interview.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Chizik fit this criteria. He was a self described southern religious man. Does anyone think his actions at ISU or Auburn backed that up? He did us dirty, then cheated at Auburn. There are plenty of coaches out there who aren't religious or don't wear it on their sleeve, who are better people and role models than Chizik, and many others like him.

I sure hope this isn't actually a matter of focus in our search. If it is, it should be far behind all of the other criteria which actually affect winning football games.

Exactly! We should have learned from that. And we ended up with Chizik instead. Puke.

As I have been saying in my posts, I don't disagree with you at all. In retrospect, Harbaugh would have been awesome for Iowa State (and I thought so back in 2006 as well).

To be fair about Chizik, he was largely regarded as a coup when we hired him - the national media couldn't believe Pollard pulled that off. The problems were after the fact. Chizik never took the ISU job seriously. His entire plan was to be the CEO-style coach, which would have been fine if he didn't hire his drinking buddies to run the ship. Had he hired someone like Malzahn from the beginning like he was rumored to do had he stuck around for year 3, things would have likely been very different. The other thing is I don't think Mrs. Chizik ever wanted to be there, and I don't think Chizik ever really wanted to be, either. It's the impression I got when I met him on the Tailgate Tour - it felt like "duty". It makes you think the Auburn job was promised to Chizik beforehand, and they basically told him to take the ISU job because it would be difficult to sell a position coach to the fans, that, in the event he flamed out at ISU, it would be easier to sell the fans that "it's Iowa State, not the coach" than it would be to sell a position coach (of course, we all now know what the case really was).

Long story short, if Chizik had respected the ISU job from day 1 the outcome of his tenure might have been entirely different. But alas he didn't and we're here today and shying away from anyone that might even slightly resemble any aspect of Chizik, even if he would take the job seriously, even if he was using the job as a stepping stone.

 

[WastedTalent]

To me, Pollard would have been a fool if he hadn't started a secret search back at about the Toledo game loss. With that timeline, mid october to narrow the field. In this last week, he is just checking out any new possibilities that may have shown up on the radar screen, and also working out details. I bet there is a favorite that was selected back in October. And then there are a few new names to challenge that October favorite. This of course, assuming that JP had believed that getting a new coach quickly after the firing of Rhoads was going to be essential.

I believe that all ADs should have a short list of candidates, for every coaching position in the department, at all times. But you're right he should have been researching candidates at that time.

However, if the rumors are true that Leath forced the firing CPR, not JP, then there's a good chance that JP had been holding out hope that he could retain Rhoads.

 

[Tedcyclone]

We would retain Ayeni I would assume so that's a plus

This could be a plus, I agree.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Still gotta keep Missouri, who is reportedly scheduled to interview Campbell, in the back of your mind.

ISU's best bet, if they want him, is to offer quickly and apply the pressure to accept before he sees other options.

Good chance Missouri goes with their DC, Odom. But agree we need to move quick. Get this done before more vacancies open up.

I think I was leaning Flack > Campbell, but I acknowledge I don't know enough about either to make an informed call.

 

[twincyties]

Is he proud? That's the big question...

 

[D UP Clones]

The only thing I can think of is hopefully it's putting a person in place that's not only going to be a positive role model for the players but that kind of individual is what the donors would be most comfortable with. I don't necessarily agree, as a "non-family" man that doesn't let faith dictate his life can also be a positive role model, but I'm just putting out why the requirement may be there.

Glad you put that out there. So enlightening like your other posts.

push the religion big dog...

 

[dahliaclone]

Fritz, Fleck, Campbell. Make one of them happen. I just don't know much about Campbell (haven't read a ton of the posts this week). I assume all three would be good hires.

 

[D UP Clones]

As I have been saying in my posts, I don't disagree with you at all. In retrospect, Harbaugh would have been awesome for Iowa State (and I thought so back in 2006 as well).

To be fair about Chizik, he was largely regarded as a coup when we hired him - the national media couldn't believe Pollard pulled that off. The problems were after the fact. Chizik never took the ISU job seriously. His entire plan was to be the CEO-style coach, which would have been fine if he didn't hire his drinking buddies to run the ship. Had he hired someone like Malzahn from the beginning like he was rumored to do had he stuck around for year 3, things would have likely been very different. The other thing is I don't think Mrs. Chizik ever wanted to be there, and I don't think Chizik ever really wanted to be, either. It's the impression I got when I met him on the Tailgate Tour - it felt like "duty". It makes you think the Auburn job was promised to Chizik beforehand, and they basically told him to take the ISU job because it would be difficult to sell a position coach to the fans, that, in the event he flamed out at ISU, it would be easier to sell the fans that "it's Iowa State, not the coach" than it would be to sell a position coach (of course, we all now know what the case really was).

Long story short, if Chizik had respected the ISU job from day 1 the outcome of his tenure might have been entirely different. But alas he didn't and we're here today and shying away from anyone that might even slightly resemble any aspect of Chizik, even if he would take the job seriously, even if he was using the job as a stepping stone.

Very serious about lining the helmets up right. You are making me laugh so hard with this stuff.

Now chizik knew what he was doing.... wow. Just wow. Auburn was good evidence of that.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Glad you put that out there. So enlightening like your other posts.

push the religion big dog...

Very serious about lining the helmets up right. You are making me laugh so hard with this stuff.

Now chizik knew what he was doing.... wow. Just wow. Auburn was good evidence of that.

Are you even reading my posts or is spraying your diarrhea all over the internet your thing?

 

[UraMallas]

Per SI, Iowa State is going to get Matt Campbell. Moved faster than Missouri. Wow http://FootballScoop.com/the-scoop

 

[dahliaclone]

It's Campbell

 

[WastedTalent]

Per SI, Iowa State is going to get Matt Campbell. Moved faster than Missouri. Wow http://FootballScoop.com/the-scoop

I like this more, now knowing D UP Clone hates it. Hire him!

 

[MeanDean]

Glad we didn't get Fleck. Any kid who sticks his tongue to a metal pole on a dare is not for us.

 

[Jeremy]

And why is being a family man guided by faith a requirement?

Ask JP, that is his requirement. I was just stating that he clearly has set that as a requirement, nothing more or less.

 

[Cyclophile1]

But there's no guarantee that any of these guys are going to be any good. We all want Iowa State to take that "next step." I think it's worth a gamble. Go with the guy who gives you the highest upside.

Having said that, I think that Campbell would be a nice hire. Young dude. Energy. We'll see.

Cyclone Fanatic is a pretty risk-averse bunch. When you haven't sniffed the top of the conference ever, I'd take a higher variance coach. Sometimes, there's a fine line between high-variance and unqualified, but I am a little confused by the hate for Fleck.

This is correct I think. Fleck has big upside and also big downside. I could see him flaming out in a huge way also, if he doesn't get the right staff. Fleck completely gets the Public Relations and Media side of the business, in a way that is much more necessary than the previous regime ever wanted to acknowledge. Fleck also gets the CEO and motivator role which I think Rhoads actually did understand. Fleck's success would likely hinge on the quality of his initial staff and his ability to get the next level of recruits and develop them. I think this is my only real concern with him. Would he be able to attract the kind of coordinators it takes to hold our own with the gorillas on the schedule and avoid tactical errors that plagued Rhoads? Longer term, the worry would be about his S&C team building up the recruits to Big12 level, but the staff he would build would be critical.

Fleck has big, big upside. I think there's huge risk and big upside with someone like Stitt also. Campbell and Fritz seem like lower risk and lower reward guys. Although, I like Fritz a lot because I think he might have a lot more staying power given his age, and I love all his experience. Fleck is like putting down a huge stack of chips and rolling the bones. I bet it would be a pretty wild first three yars with him. My sense is that's all we would get out of him good or bad. I would be pretty eventful though, I think.

 

[Cyclophile1]

Plus right now before any interviews, is the stock that CW is reporting just "chances to get interviewed" stock? Or are both Campbell and Fleck guaranteed to get interviews? Because if they both get interviews, none of this really matters much.

I think it's safe to assume that unofficial phone conversations are happening, some might be mediated but I bet Pollard is talking to their agents.