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jsb said:
Really? I thought it was still a bit over the top. They don't do a very good job of talking about the less than 50 really bad calls and the 1400 undocumented calls (which should be distinguished). And they still talk about Iowa State not answering questions even though Iowa State has said the NCAA doesn't want them to and they released a 600 page report. All of the freaking answers are probably in those 600 pages.

God help us if a school in this state ever have real violations. There won't be enough ink in the world.

This whole thing was worth maybe 3 articles. One when they did the release last week. One when the REgister decided the regents hadn't been contacted, which should have been contradicted when they realized they were wrong, and one this week when they got their hands on the report. And maybe one column from Bryce Miller.
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I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was even-handed. Far less sensational in nature than basically everything they've written so far. It at least lays out the entire situation so the reader can get some context for what's really happening rather than relying on Randy Peterson's judgment.
 
Trice said:
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was even-handed. Far less sensational in nature than basically everything they've written so far. It at least lays out the entire situation so the reader can get some context for what's really happening rather than relying on Randy Peterson's judgment.
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Maybe. I wonder where they are going with GG's retirement. There would seem to be no reason to put in that timeline the date he announced his retirement unless they are planning to tie this to him.
 
Has the Register contacted any other schools to ask if they do this type of audit of their phone records AND if they actually report every thing they find? Are the phone records themselves open to the public?
 
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Cycsk said:
I'm also wondering how much of the problem isn't even the improper calls or unlogged calls, but the attitude of some of the coaches during the audit. I know how I would be if confronted with not logging a dropped call. I would say that iw as a stupid rule! I can imagine Shane Burnham saying something like this or saying that he didn't know that he was supposed to log dropped calls because it is hard enough to remember all the rules that make sense. And then it shows up in the report.

I wish that the reporters would just give the relevant facts. If Miller is going to write an article about the violations being "major," why didn't he make reference to the statement by an NCAA rep who said described this as being about as minor as it could be in the "major" category?
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Here is my take . . . First, let's examine how the filthy RAG examined Iowa's various scandals. In each recent example . . . the RAG always took what Iowa officials said at "face value." "Nothing to see or follow up on here". Whereas, the RAG crucified ISU and Eustachy. They will likewise not fail to turn over every page . . upturn every rock to condemn ISU.

Hence, the filthy RAG has an agenda. And might I also say . . they are priming the pump for the NCAA to bring MAJOR penalties against ISU . . the RAG's headlines banner the digital and paper pages everyday! Now why would they do this? . . . because many at WHO/RAG are life long hawks who sense this is a great opportunity to damage ISU. Remember the media's trumpeting of "where ISU should go" during conference realignment? Mountain West? Mid American? "That would be good for ISU!"

Secondly, Miller and the RAG got slapped down by Pollard/ISU in its press release. And they don't like that! Given what I have mentioned above . . there will be hell to pay now. Every follow-on piece by the RAG/Miller will be used to justify their original "take" on ISU. Guilty as charged!

Thirdly, as much as I hate to say it . . . the NCAA is now given a green light to bring a full measure of punishment against ISU. Why? Because the press/people in Iowa expect it now. Baylor skated because no body (think: Texas press) cared. The big schools skate because they generate tons of NCAA money . . . whereas, Iowa State is a PERFECT target child for the NCAA . . BCS school with little street cred for the NCAA. Frankly, ISU will be a target because it ill get no push back from the media and "we" have no NCAA street credibility.

This case concerns me a lot . . because hawkdom, the Iowa press, NCAA, and idiot fans want it soo much! The fix is in for ISU receive some major damage because of these "horrific" violations.
 
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Madclone1 said:
Here is my take . . . First, let's examine how the filthy RAG examined Iowa's various scandals. In each recent example . . . the RAG always took what Iowa officials said at "face value." "Nothing to see or follow up on here". Whereas, the RAG crucified ISU and Eustachy. They will likewise not fail to turn over every page . . upturn every rock to condemn ISU.

Hence, the filthy RAG has an agenda. And might I also say . . they are priming the pump for the NCAA to bring MAJOR penalties against ISU . . the RAG's headlines banner the digital and paper pages everyday! Now why would they do this? . . . because many at WHO/RAG are life long hawks who sense this is a great opportunity to damage ISU. Remember the media's trumpeting of "where ISU should go" during conference realignment? Mountain West? Mid American? "That would be good for ISU!"

Secondly, Miller and the RAG got slapped down by Pollard/ISU in its press release. And they don't like that! Given what I have mentioned above . . there will be hell to pay now. Every follow-on piece by the RAG/Miller will be used to justify their original "take" on ISU. Guilty as charged!

Thirdly, as much as I hate to say it . . . the NCAA is now given a green light to bring a full measure of punishment against ISU. Why? Because the press/people in Iowa expect it now. Baylor skated because no body (think: Texas press) cared. The big schools skate because they generate tons of NCAA money . . . whereas, Iowa State is a PERFECT target child for the NCAA . . BCS school with little street cred for the NCAA. Frankly, ISU will be a target because it ill get no push back from the media and "we" have no NCAA street credibility.

This case concerns me a lot . . because hawkdom, the Iowa press, NCAA, and idiot fans want it soo much! The fix is in for ISU receive some major damage because of these "horrific" violations.
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This is a very good assessment IMO. I don't have a good feeling at all about how this is going to turn out. Baylor skated by, because as you said, nobody in the entire country cared at all about it. Unfortunately, the media throughout the state of Iowa are attempting to create a firestorm around this thing, and so I'm afraid the NCAA will feel like it has to do something significant. I hope I'm wrong.

And as far as the RAG goes, no friend or fan of ISU should support this piece of crap junk they like to call journalism. All ISU fans that subscribe or give money in any way to this newspaper need to stop now.
 
clonedude said:
We're ISU... so we're screwed. Trust me, the NCAA will make an example out of us.

Actually, it doesn't even matter anymore. In the release, it says that Iowa State made major NCAA violations. So no matter what the penalty ends up being, we'll still be considered "cheaters" now no matter what.

Just great news. Ruins basically anything we've accomplished as far as I'm concerned. So we made some crappy bowl games and got to the NCAA Tournament 2 years in a row by cheating.... what a great accomplishment! Not.

And yes, I know I'll get ripped again for posting this, but who cares. And there are those that won't believe we benefited in any way from these phone calls, and of course, there will be no way to tell if we did or didn't, but it will be assumed in the public court of opinion that we did, so it doesn't matter.

Who knows if we landed Royce White because of some of these calls? Who knows what football recruits we might have been able to get because of all these illegal calls?

I'm just getting so sick of college athletics in general, and the NCAA too.
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Shocker!! Clonedude goes with the negative spin :shocked:
 
jsb said:
Maybe. I wonder where they are going with GG's retirement. There would seem to be no reason to put in that timeline the date he announced his retirement unless they are planning to tie this to him.
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It's a worthy footnote, IMO, if for no other reason than to highlight that this precedes Leath's tenure. I'd have to re-read the story but I haven't seen anything so far that attempts to unfairly tie this to Geoffroy.
 
clonedude said:
This is a very good assessment IMO. I don't have a good feeling at all about how this is going to turn out. Baylor skated by, because as you said, nobody in the entire country cared at all about it. Unfortunately, the media throughout the state of Iowa are attempting to create a firestorm around this thing, and so I'm afraid the NCAA will feel like it has to do something significant. I hope I'm wrong.

And as far as the RAG goes, no friend or fan of ISU should support this piece of crap junk they like to call journalism. All ISU fans that subscribe or give money in any way to this newspaper need to stop now.
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I don't like the comparison to Baylor. Baylor's issues were all related to basketball and our issues are related to every sport. Because of this, on a sport by sport basis our issues are way less in scope than Baylor's. So comparing Baylor's BB issues to our issues as a whole is apples to oranges.

Yes the media in Iowa is running with the story, but no one outside of Iowa cares.
 
isufbcurt said:
I don't like the comparison to Baylor. Baylor's issues were all related to basketball and our issues are related to every sport. Because of this, on a sport by sport basis our issues are way less in scope than Baylor's. So comparing Baylor's BB issues to our issues as a whole is apples to oranges.

Yes the media in Iowa is running with the story, but no one outside of Iowa cares.
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I honestly have no idea how the NCAA evaluates one case vs. another so full disclosure, I'm spitballing here. But I think a case could be made that ours is more serious because it spans most every sport. That hints at an institutional problem rather than just a rogue coach or program.

But it is clear we've been proactive about investigating this and that has to help our cause. But it's all just speculation anyway until we get a ruling.

EDIT: when I say "more serious" I should be clear that despite the "major" tag this case has been slapped with it's clear that neither us nor Baylor's were truly "serious" in the grand scheme of things.
 
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isufbcurt said:
I don't like the comparison to Baylor. Baylor's issues were all related to basketball and our issues are related to every sport. Because of this, on a sport by sport basis our issues are way less in scope than Baylor's. So comparing Baylor's BB issues to our issues as a whole is apples to oranges.

Yes the media in Iowa is running with the story, but no one outside of Iowa cares.
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Except the NCAA . . . we are perfect target bait for this rogue organization of lawyer hacks. With nobody caring . . the 'youngin lawyers' will get a chance to cut their teeth on a BCS school without "push back" or "criticism." Especially . . after they start reading the filthy RAG.
 
Trice said:
I honestly have no idea how the NCAA evaluates one case vs. another so full disclosure, I'm spitballing here. But I think a case could be made that ours is more serious because it spans most every sport. That hints at an institutional problem rather than just a rogue coach or program.

But it is clear we've been proactive about investigating this and that has to help our cause. But it's all just speculation anyway until we get a ruling.

EDIT: when I say "more serious" I should be clear that despite the "major" tag this case has been slapped with it's clear that neither us nor Baylor's were truly "serious" in the grand scheme of things.
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I understand your thinking it is more serious because it is department wide, but I look at it as we had less issues department wide than they did in one sport. Plus it is easier to educate everyone in the AD than it is to try to change a couple rogue coaches in one sport. Plus the proactiveness we took I think shows we want to do things within the rules.
 
Madclone1 said:
Here is my take . . . First, let's examine how the filthy RAG examined Iowa's various scandals. In each recent example . . . the RAG always took what Iowa officials said at "face value." "Nothing to see or follow up on here". Whereas, the RAG crucified ISU and Eustachy. They will likewise not fail to turn over every page . . upturn every rock to condemn ISU.

Hence, the filthy RAG has an agenda. And might I also say . . they are priming the pump for the NCAA to bring MAJOR penalties against ISU . . the RAG's headlines banner the digital and paper pages everyday! Now why would they do this? . . . because many at WHO/RAG are life long hawks who sense this is a great opportunity to damage ISU. Remember the media's trumpeting of "where ISU should go" during conference realignment? Mountain West? Mid American? "That would be good for ISU!"

Secondly, Miller and the RAG got slapped down by Pollard/ISU in its press release. And they don't like that! Given what I have mentioned above . . there will be hell to pay now. Every follow-on piece by the RAG/Miller will be used to justify their original "take" on ISU. Guilty as charged!

Thirdly, as much as I hate to say it . . . the NCAA is now given a green light to bring a full measure of punishment against ISU. Why? Because the press/people in Iowa expect it now. Baylor skated because no body (think: Texas press) cared. The big schools skate because they generate tons of NCAA money . . . whereas, Iowa State is a PERFECT target child for the NCAA . . BCS school with little street cred for the NCAA. Frankly, ISU will be a target because it ill get no push back from the media and "we" have no NCAA street credibility.

This case concerns me a lot . . because hawkdom, the Iowa press, NCAA, and idiot fans want it soo much! The fix is in for ISU receive some major damage because of these "horrific" violations.
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Please stop it. No one is out to get Iowa State. No giant entity is pulling strings behind the scenes, persecuting Iowa State. The victim complex that parts of our fanbase have needs to stop. It's embarrassing, and the paranoia of a few fans makes the entire fanbase look crazy.

The Register isn't out to "get" Iowa State because some of their reporters might happen to cheer for another team. The Register is out to sell advertising and save their employee's jobs. Sensational, local stories sell advertising. This isn't a sensational story, but "major violations" sounds sensational, so that's the angle they're playing up.

The Register has sloppy reporting? What's new? They've always been sloppy. The Register hasn't been good about adjusting their business model to adjust to the changing media landscape. Just because they play up the most titillating aspects of a story doesn't mean the Register has some dark ulterior motive.

That's it. That's the sum total of the Register's angle. The only people that "hate" Iowa State are UI, BU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, UT, TCU, TT and WVU fans. But keep whining about being persecuted and how everyone's out to get you, and I guarantee that that number's going to increase pretty quickly.
 
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isufbcurt said:
I understand your thinking it is more serious because it is department wide, but I look at it as we had less issues department wide than they did in one sport. Plus it is easier to educate everyone in the AD than it is to try to change a couple rogue coaches in one sport. Plus the proactiveness we took I think shows we want to do things within the rules.
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Since you like to throw Long term ISU fans under the bus ... Who the .... Are you? Nobody at ISU SHOULD EVER trust the NCAA simply from past dealings/decisions!! Secondly, you sound like somebody associated with the press ... If not, you are fairly ignorant of athletic power dynamics in this state. Glad you feel so good about our chances with the power brokers! In my opinion, press using thrills to sell print is ethically indefensible by ANYONE.
 
sdillon500 said:
Please stop it. No one is out to get Iowa State. No giant entity is pulling strings behind the scenes, persecuting Iowa State. The victim complex that parts of our fanbase have needs to stop. It's embarrassing, and the paranoia of a few fans makes the entire fanbase look crazy.

The Register isn't out to "get" Iowa State because some of their reporters might happen to cheer for another team. The Register is out to sell advertising and save their employee's jobs. Sensational, local stories sell advertising. This isn't a sensational story, but "major violations" sounds sensational, so that's the angle they're playing up.

The Register has sloppy reporting? What's new? They've always been sloppy. The Register hasn't been good about adjusting their business model to adjust to the changing media landscape. Just because they play up the most titillating aspects of a story doesn't mean the Register has some dark ulterior motive.

That's it. That's the sum total of the Register's angle. The only people that "hate" Iowa State are UI, BU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, UT, TCU, TT and WVU fans. But keep whining about being persecuted and how everyone's out to get you, and I guarantee that that number's going to increase pretty quickly.
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Yeah, and that's why the Register handles negative stories about Iowa and Iowa State so drastically different, right?

No Cyclone fan in their right mind should support the Register in any way IMO. Not until they treat all schools in this state the same way.
 
I feel like the NCAA punishes little offenses worse than big ones after Caltech. First of all, I don't see how they could have any competitive advantage since their basketball and baseball teams will go literally years with out winning a single game. Their football team has been undefeated since 1993, when they quit having football (although at one point they had played more games in the Rose Bowl Stadium than any other team lol). At the time of their "lack of institutional control," they were the only university in the world that required every student, regardless of major, to take quantum mechanics.

Their offense was they let all students, including athletes, "class shop" at the beginning of each term, when they can go to a class without being technically registered for it for a few weeks to decide if they want to take it. They got a year postseason ban in all sports among other penalties. While this may not affect them given their abysmal sports, they do occasionally have a good athlete in an individual sport such as fencing who could be affected. Meanwhile, the Penn State athletic department covered up a guy raping little boys in their facilities, but they did not get a postseason ban in every sport.

The Rag is on an endless campaign to destroy Cyclone athletics. I wish someone would investigate them.
 
Looking forward to big headline and full report when the NCAA simply accepts our report and follows through we our recommendations ... punishments served and probation.
 
The NCAA has proven to be fairly predictable in the past in that they generally take the action that makes the least amount of sense. Suspending Hoiberg would make no sense, which is why I won't be shocked if it happens
 
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