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[cmhawks99]

Its all nuance as you say, but Rutger and Maryland play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn. State every year, that does tend to influence their record a little bit more than playing in the West. Not going to look it up, but it sure seems like EIU has played Rutgers and Maryland a lot more than the three better teams in the east division.

The west has never won a conference championship with the current set up and most have been blow outs. EIU just like 2015 has a very good chance of winning 8 to 10 games while only playing PSU that looks like they are going to be decent. Its the very reason that national media call the school the Fake ID of College Football. Lots of wins beating a group of nobodies.

No need, I already know….Rutgers twice and Maryland 4 times since 2013 ….

I knew they hadn’t played us very much and unlike you, didn’t have an agenda to try to diminish, Iowa, nor Iowa State as it turns out…

I was a little surprised to find out Maryland has actually had at least average teams throughout that timeframe 7–6 5–7 3–9 and, 7–6…

Actually played Penn State the most at six and would’ve played Michigan the second most with 5 had the Covid year not got canceled…

The schedules are what they and I’d wager without knowing for sure, Iowa, and Wisconsin have both played the big three in the other division, more than most other teams.

Wisconsin has played Ohio State at least six times…

Those 2 aren’t getting lucky schedules. Yes I agree. The big 10 East is better but let me tell it to you a different way and you may ignore this comment but there’s no way you can disagree with it.

Given the choice there is no way Ohio State, Michigan or Penn State would choose to play Iowa or Wisconsin over any other team in the Big Ten west….

Just because we have the weaker division doesn’t mean they don’t play good football!

 

[cmhawks99]

Its all nuance as you say, but Rutger and Maryland play Michigan, Ohio State and Penn. State every year, that does tend to influence their record a little bit more than playing in the West. Not going to look it up, but it sure seems like EIU has played Rutgers and Maryland a lot more than the three better teams in the east division.

The west has never won a conference championship with the current set up and most have been blow outs. EIU just like 2015 has a very good chance of winning 8 to 10 games while only playing PSU that looks like they are going to be decent. Its the very reason that national media call the school the Fake ID of College Football. Lots of wins beating a group of nobodies.

PS….one guy Collin cowherd said that and guess what….I’m still ok with it. Just like TCU was good getting pasted 62-7…

I said before last seasons playoffs, the two best teams were Georgia and Ohio State. Regardless of the fact that Michigan beat tOSU.

And that still is true today Ohio State is an absolute force, so is Georgia, TCU not so much Michigan, not as much as the other two.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Pretty much agree with this with a couple caveats…Every team struggles with that, especially a good mobile quarterback, that is a terrific passer… That’s everyone’s kryptonite.

As far as the cornerback… I’m pretty much at peace with whatever Phil Parker wants to do but it is interesting. He rarely switches cornerbacks. Now to be fair both CBS playing in the game usually are eventually going to the NFL, but we have been torched with a third or fourth cornerback with little experience, having to play in that game…

One being Riley Moss, who turned into one hell of a cornerback, got roasted by PU one year.

Moss got roasted by Xavier Hutchinson time and time again just last season. Overrated CB in my opinion. Iowa CBs usually flame out in the NFL. I think it is largely due to them being system CBs and not true shut down CBs.

 

[madguy30]

The QB play in the b1g has been horrible for a while now.

True.

An even better metric would be how many offenses they've held held X amount of points below average.

 

[cmhawks99]

Moss got roasted by Xavier Hutchinson time and time again just last season. Overrated CB in my opinion. Iowa CBs usually flame out in the NFL. I think it is largely due to them being system CBs and not true shut down CBs.

LOL….That’s a super typical bitter Iowa State/Iowa fan type comment. We’ve got guys on our site that say the same kind of stupid ****.

Moss did fall in the end zone and he was on him because we moved him there and the year before he had 3 catches.

Pretty much most of the defensive backs Iowa has put in the NFL over the years stick for several years. Some have moved to safeties, but you’re hoping they flamed out hasn’t been true…

Sorry

 

[Cyinthenorth]

LOL….That’s a super typical bitter Iowa State/Iowa fan type comment. We’ve got guys on our site that say the same kind of stupid ****.

Moss did fall in the end zone and he was on him because we moved him there and the year before he had 3 catches.

Pretty much most of the defensive backs Iowa has put in the NFL over the years stick for several years. Some have moved to safeties, but you’re hoping they flamed out hasn’t been true…

Sorry

Interception king Desmond King has been dreadful. Got cut by the worst NFL franchise a few weeks ago. Get a clue.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I can't remember the poor saps name, but a DB the Packers drafted maybe 5 or 6 years ago. I remember watching him get picked on time and time again in a fairly important game for the Packers in the midst of a playoff push. Never really heard much from him again, I am guessing the Packers cut him.

Edit: It was Josh Jackson. More like Josh Hackson. Complete bum in the NFL and bust of a 2nd round draft pick.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Agreed. We couldn’t out athlete them at a lot of positions. Not saying one team is better athletically than the other but more often roughly the same. We have nobody they have to roll coverage too. We aren’t dominant up front. Iowa eats teams alive that are like us currently

With that analysis who wouldn't?

 

[cayin]

PS….one guy Collin cowherd said that and guess what….I’m still ok with it. Just like TCU was good getting pasted 62-7…

I said before last seasons playoffs, the two best teams were Georgia and Ohio State. Regardless of the fact that Michigan beat tOSU.

And that still is true today Ohio State is an absolute force, so is Georgia, TCU not so much Michigan, not as much as the other two.

how can you say that? OSU got KILLED!!! At home to Michigan 45-23. Michigan even called off the dogs. Then Michigan gave up 56 points to TCU. Last year it was Georgia, then everyone else.

 

[werdnamanhill]

This isn't the ISR forum

 

[ZRF]

Look at their player development. Iowa's combination of recruitment and development has been consistently top 20 in the nation since 2000. They've had multiple players drafted every year and have produced a steady stream of defensive draft picks. I'm too lazy to look up picks by position or unit, but here are the numbers between 2000-2020 on draft picks produced by each school. https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/...lege-football-teams-most-nfl-draft-picks-2000

Unless you have a moronic scheme you are probably going to perform well if you identify, coach, and develop talent consistently. Many around here don't want to admit it but Iowa has been a much better program than us.

Parker is part of that too but it's really hard to emulate what Iowa does or has done. You could make an argument no school has consistently turned mid-level recruits into success stories. What they are able to do at TE alone (while not defensive) is borderline miraculous.

 

[cmhawks99]

True.

An even better metric would be how many offenses they've held held X amount of points below average.

This is true, QB play has been very spotty however, no matter who Iowa plays the other coach doesn’t go. Oh, don’t worry about it. They play ****** quarterbacks in the Big 10 W.…

No, they generally expect they play awesome Defense and the amount of kids they put in the NFL on defense pretty much proves that to be true.

I personally thought we played pretty shoddy defense versus Utah State and they scored 78 last week… So the pipe dream that it’s only inflated by the Big Ten west it’s just that, a pipe dream.

Besides, the fact that holy **** why is that a good point it would be like me saying oh Iowa State plays awful defense that’s why we can only score 10 points or seven points or 20 points…

The same goes for you… Last year, both of our offenses were historically bad, but generally speaking, you guys score, fairly well in the big 12

 

[jctisu]

Brother there are about 3 super elite teams in the country. One is tOSU and they have only won 2NCs this century and only 2 in 50 years really.

It is super hard to beat any team consistently let alone those teams. I am always very confident when we take the field vs most teams. In particular if we have a pulse on offense.

I focus on NFL talent on your roster at any given time. That’s why I say the Ohio State, Georgias, Alabama’s are way past everyone else, including Michigan or Oklahoma.

There are only 10 to 15 teams in the country that field rosters, more talented than Iowa regularly…I am exceedingly confident in our defense every time they take the field vs anyone if they can move the ball on offense at all and that is what this thread was about.

Our defense…

The offense, not necessarily or even rarely

Wow you didn’t read my post at all. And no there are not only 10-15 teams in the country that field better overall rosters. Let’s see what happens after Kirk leaves. His style is boring but brings results. If Iowa goes away from their style they are going to lose a lot more.

 

[cmhawks99]

This isn't the ISR forum

I apologize (sincerely) I don’t post here much, I do sometimes forget there are posters on here that like to keep the company line.

We don’t have tons of ISU fans on the public board but the consistent ones, and that I like are pretty fair minded.

We and they (we do have fans that fail to credit ISUs D) don’t make nonsensical arguments about a poor Defense that we historically play poorly against…

Doesn’t make a ton of sense when you really think about it….both ways.

You notoriously over the years score fewer points versus our “average” defense, and then we in turn routinely score less points against your “average” defense….

It’s hard for me to understand some of these message board people. Yours and ours…

 

[madguy30]

This is true, QB play has been very spotty however, no matter who Iowa plays the other coach doesn’t go. Oh, don’t worry about it. They play ****** quarterbacks in the Big 10 W.…

No, they generally expect they play awesome Defense and the amount of kids they put in the NFL on defense pretty much proves that to be true.

I personally thought we played pretty shoddy defense versus Utah State and they scored 78 last week… So the pipe dream that it’s only inflated by the Big Ten west it’s just that, a pipe dream.

Besides, the fact that holy **** why is that a good point it would be like me saying oh Iowa State plays awful defense that’s why we can only score 10 points or seven points or 20 points…

The same goes for you… Last year, both of our offenses were historically bad, but generally speaking, you guys score, fairly well in the big 12

FWIW I'm not saying Iowa's defense is bad or anything.

I would think most opponents hate playing them because they're the type of defense and overall team that just won't go away.

I didn't catch much of Iowa/Utah State but it sounded like a game for them to feel things out and they tightened things up last week. I would have liked to have seen what ISU does with some of those dropped passes but that's kind of the point as to why they lose close games.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

PS….one guy Collin cowherd said that and guess what….I’m still ok with it. Just like TCU was good getting pasted 62-7…

I said before last seasons playoffs, the two best teams were Georgia and Ohio State. Regardless of the fact that Michigan beat tOSU.

And that still is true today Ohio State is an absolute force, so is Georgia, TCU not so much Michigan, not as much as the other two.

TCU sure did get pasted by Georgia, now who did they beat the game before to get to the game? Oh, I remember the Big Easy champ, Michigan.

No, EIU does not have 10 to 15 level talent year to year, I know you are putting a lot of lineman in the NFL, when was the last time an EIU WR caught a pass, an EIU running back carried the ball or a QB throw a pass?

 

[cmhawks99]

Wow you didn’t read my post at all. And no there are not only 10-15 teams in the country that field better overall rosters. Let’s see what happens after Kirk leaves. His style is boring but brings results. If Iowa goes away from their style they are going to lose a lot more.

Do a quick search on NFL players by college….ESPN will work, Iowa is currently at 12th….

Do u know where ISU is, after 8 years of Campbell?

You are correct however, I tell all the idiot Iowa fans who constantly complain about KF, be careful what you wish for….

I’d now actually say the same about your fans and Campbell, he knows defensive talent, so does Iowa and so does Wisconsin…

2 teams the average fan has no clue, produce a **** ton of NFL talent.

Defensively they are top tier….

And Campbell, like KF is not appreciated

 

[Cyclone06]

Do a quick search on NFL players by college….ESPN will work, Iowa is currently at 12th….

Do u know where ISU is, after 8 years of Campbell?

You are correct however, I tell all the idiot Iowa fans who constantly complain about KF, be careful what you wish for….

I’d now actually say the same about your fans and Campbell, he knows defensive talent, so does Iowa and so does Wisconsin…

2 teams the average fan has no clue, produce a **** ton of NFL talent.

Defensively they are top tier….

And Campbell, like KF is not appreciated

Is there like a 12th place trophy you get for that?

I am so uncomfortably jealous of you.

 

[cmhawks99]

FWIW I'm not saying Iowa's defense is bad or anything.

I would think most opponents hate playing them because they're the type of defense and overall team that just won't go away.

I didn't catch much of Iowa/Utah State but it sounded like a game for them to feel things out and they tightened things up last week. I would have liked to have seen what ISU does with some of those dropped passes but that's kind of the point as to why they lose close games.

I 100 hundred percent agree on the drop passes those two by the one guy I can’t remember his name is it Jaylin Noel? Those were ridiculous. I mean holy crap… Two in a row, the one wasn’t going to be a first down, but the other one clearly was…

Now they were short yardage drops, and nobody knows where it would’ve gone from there, but there’s no denying that it totally screwed up your momentum and mojo!

Well, I’m a defensive first guy, so I love our team and yours to for that reason and I’m a little funny.

I thought their gap integrity on DL was terrible and they had a lot of loose space in the secondary… But to be fair the transfer linebacker, Jackson, who had a much better game against you guys was out of place a bunch. And Lee the other CB was in his 1st start for Harris (gambling suspension)

And they did only have like 250 yards & 14 points. It’s just the last touchdown really pissed me off. !!

Speaking of ******** this gambling thing was insane on a lot of fronts….number one these kids need to know what the Hells going on and gambling on your own team is a major no, no!

I suppose the under age thing also makes sense, but they wouldn’t have been suspended for the whole year drinking under age…

Lots of ambiguity in that whole ruling!

 

[cmhawks99]

Is there like a 12th place trophy you get for that?

I am so uncomfortably jealous of you.

Nice deflection… It was in response to an accusation about our talent level… So no, no participation trophy, but I can bet you they use it on the recruiting trail a lot… which is actually better wouldn’t you think?!