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Bubu Appealing

nj829 said:
What would someone sue the University for in this case? I could see a smear campaign or a secret donor withholding funds to the foundation being a reason for the appeal and kicking off the team, but outside of Bubu trying to take the school to court, I am not sure anyone else would have a legit reason.
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If she feels that her intrests were not protected she can take it to court. I am sure the details do not put Bubu in a "positive" light regardless of legality otherwise he would have been forthcoming. Universities dont like to have these things linger on creating bad press etc. that cimbined with legal fees a settlement can often be leveraged and that is all the reason one needs.
 
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Good for him. He paid his time.

Unless there is more info that the public does not know.

Thought was a major overstep by Leath.
 
I see noting wrong with this. The whole process is a little off to me. I dont understand how a single person (Leath) can over turn a decision of the Office of Judicial Affairs, without hearings/notifications/etc. An appeal to the BoR is pretty minor step, IMO, and youre more or less asking to find out who is right; Leath or Judicial Affairs.

If the BoR takes Leaths side, and Bubu continues the appeal process to the Iowa Supreme Court, I will agree that this is turning into a war that is only hurting ISU and the basketball program. But this step is rather painless, and if Bubu wins, he could be reinstated before the season starts.
 
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Bubu could, if he wanted to, transfer to another school and play for them, correct? This is ONLY and Iowa State issue because Leath felt that Bubu violated school code of conduct.

If I'm Bubu, I just want my name cleared of all things in this matter so that it doesn't affect my chances of getting hired for a job in the future. Which I believe is already the case, correct? He's not been charged with anything, so legally he has a clean record. It's just Leath's judgement that he not be allowed to participate in athletics anymore.

This stinks of some group of people telling Leath that they will cause ISU a nightmare in the PR department if Bubu is allowed to play. So Leath is just cutting ties with Bubu to avoid any ugliness that might come from allowing him to play.

I do feel for Bubu in this, however, you do make your own bed in life. He really should just be happy he's not in prison somewhere and count his blessings and move on. Sometimes life isn't fair, but he needs to realize that he's in a lot better situation right now than he could be, that's for sure.
 
clonedude said:
Bubu could, if he wanted to, transfer to another school and play for them, correct? This is ONLY and Iowa State issue because Leath felt that Bubu violated school code of conduct.

If I'm Bubu, I just want my name cleared of all things in this matter so that it doesn't affect my chances of getting hired for a job in the future. Which I believe is already the case, correct? He's not been charged with anything, so legally he has a clean record. It's just Leath's judgement that he not be allowed to participate in athletics anymore.

This stinks of some group of people telling Leath that they will cause ISU a nightmare in the PR department if Bubu is allowed to play. So Leath is just cutting ties with Bubu to avoid any ugliness that might come from allowing him to play.

I do feel for Bubu in this, however, you do make your own bed in life. He really should just be happy he's not in prison somewhere and count his blessings and move on. Sometimes life isn't fair, but he needs to realize that he's in a lot better situation right now than he could be, that's for sure.
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Agree. Id like to know exactly what the finding was on the Code of Conduct that was broken, and what information lead to that determination. The fact that Story County found that there was not sufficient evidence to move forward with charging Bubu with a crime, I cant imagine there is sufficient evidence for Leath to overturn the Office of Judicial Affairs.
 
DurangoCy said:
I don't even see why this is something that can be appealed, because it just seems to be a call that the President can/should be able to make. I'm not saying that I agree (or disagree) with the decision, but why should Leath have to answer to anyone on this? Weird is all I can say.
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LMAO. Right, because one guy (the University President) should be the supreme dictator of a state owned institution. The BoR exists for a reason.
 
I'm not saying Bubu is innocent, but it's scary how fast a kids reputation and in many cases life can be ruined by a mere accusation.
 
State43 said:
I'm not saying Bubu is innocent, but it's scary how fast a kids reputation and in many cases life can be ruined by a mere accusation.
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I completely agree.

I don't see how Leath can say that Bubu violated the code of conduct if he basically was found to be innocent? If Leath is walking down Welch Ave some night and sees Melvin Ejim jaywalking, can he boot him off the team for "code of conduct"?

I know that's not really the same thing, but how much power does Leath have? And what rights does the individual player have?

I know I'd be a little ticked off if I was accused of something I didn't do, then I was basically found innocent of the charges, but yet, the school decides I shouldn't be allowed to play my sport anymore.

I don't doubt for a minute that Fred would welcome Bubu back and play him quite a bit if he was cleared. Fred was NOT a happy camper when this ruling came down at all. And I don't blame him. If Fred knew Bubu was going to be booted off the team, we would have had Richard Amardi, at 6'9" and 230 lbs, on our team right now. Instead, he's at Oregon, and we're down one scholarship player.

I don't think Fred would care if this caused a riff between him and Leath. I think Fred believes that not only Bubu was screwed over, but so was he in this ordeal. Playing with one scholarship short is not ideal.
 
clonedude said:
I completely agree.

I don't see how Leath can say that Bubu violated the code of conduct if he basically was found to be innocent? If Leath is walking down Welch Ave some night and sees Melvin Ejim jaywalking, can he boot him off the team for "code of conduct"?

I know that's not really the same thing, but how much power does Leath have? And what rights does the individual player have?

I know I'd be a little ticked off if I was accused of something I didn't do, then I was basically found innocent of the charges, but yet, the school decides I shouldn't be allowed to play my sport anymore.

I don't doubt for a minute that Fred would welcome Bubu back and play him quite a bit if he was cleared. Fred was NOT a happy camper when this ruling came down at all. And I don't blame him. If Fred knew Bubu was going to be booted off the team, we would have had Richard Amardi, at 6'9" and 230 lbs, on our team right now. Instead, he's at Oregon, and we're down one scholarship player.

I don't think Fred would care if this caused a riff between him and Leath. I think Fred believes that not only Bubu was screwed over, but so was he in this ordeal. Playing with one scholarship short is not ideal.
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We're playing with less dead weight schollies this year. So I don't think the one short thing matters.
 
Rabbuk said:
We're playing with less dead weight schollies this year. So I don't think the one short thing matters.
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Really? Please tell me who the dead weight schollies are on the MBB team?

You don't think that Richard Amardi would see significant minutes this year for us?
 
clonedude said:
Really? Please tell me who the dead weight schollies are on the MBB team?

You don't think that Richard Amardi would see significant minutes this year for us?
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I'm saying last year we had more dead weight scholarships.
 
Rabbuk said:
I'm saying last year we had more dead weight scholarships.
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In basketball you don't really have any dead weight scholarships. You get 13 schollies. Pretty much everyone gets minutes at some point during the year.

Granted, only about 8-10 guys get significant minutes usually, but I'm sure Fred would like to have his full complement of 13 guys this year instead of just 12. We are hurting for good sized interior guys. We have Gibson and Edozie and that's basically it. If one of them gets into foul trouble, we're hurting big time.
 
I'm disappointed in the number of stupid Cyclone fans there are. I shouldn't be, but I am.
 
cycfan1 said:
Good for him. He paid his time.

Unless there is more info that the public does not know.

Thought was a major overstep by Leath.
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Bubu was present during a RAPE.? Was the other guy charged?

no overstep at all.

Regarding his play, he was abused by Ohio St guards last March....He was subbed in and out during a couple OT losses (i.e Texas loss)....He was abused in our losses vs Kentucky and UConn in 2012 NCAA's

He needs to go away
 
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I'm sure this has already been answered, but what I don't understand is if Bubu violated the Student Code of Conduct, why was he just kicked off the team, and not kicked out of school? Seems to me who is allowed to play on the Iowa State BB team should be up to Hoiberg and the NCAA. Before that, who is allowed to be an ISU student is up to the school (pres, board, etc.).

If it's decided Bubu did something wrong to his fellow student(s), he should have been kicked out of school, not just off the team.

Oh, and Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in. - YouTube
 
IAStubborn said:
If she feels that her intrests were not protected she can take it to court. I am sure the details do not put Bubu in a "positive" light regardless of legality otherwise he would have been forthcoming. Universities dont like to have these things linger on creating bad press etc. that cimbined with legal fees a settlement can often be leveraged and that is all the reason one needs.
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Palo was forthcoming, after the prosecution dropped the charges. He was probably advised by his lawyer not to talk prior to any trial proceedings.

The incident did not occur on campus, the accuser is not a student...you can't even argue that the University brought the accused here as he was raised in Ames. The University has no obligation to "protect her interests" outside of a PR standpoint. There was no cover-up by ISU, no attempts to pressure her into recanting by the coaches or the ISU legal dept as has happened elsewhere. ISU let the case play out in the court system. Palo was suspended from the team, but allowed to remain enrolled and attend classes. I don't see how she could have any case against the University, or any standing to bring a suit against the University. She could go through the civil courts against Palo, maybe...but I just don't see how the University could be drawn into that successfully. However, I'm not a lawyer. Maybe there's something I'm not seeing.
 
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