Not what I was talking about, but yes...
Just saying it would boggle some minds to follow the coaches/players around for a week...season.
BRING BACK THE MAGIC!!
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Not what I was talking about, but yes...
Just saying it would boggle some minds to follow the coaches/players around for a week...season.
I disagree... they don't have those numbers written down on a cheat sheet... Why would they know? Someone needed to inform them. I won't blame the staff on trying to win and coach during a game.
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I'm not blaming the coaching staff for doing their job. I do find it difficult to think that no one on the bench knew Craig was that close to a record.
And btw, anyone who bought a program that day and read the Q&A on it knew that Craig broke the 1955 ISU-KU single player scoring record. Not the same thing, I know.
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Everybody on the bench has a job(s) during the game...watching records in not one of them. Although having the record would be a nice "consolation price"...it's not that big of a deal.
The bolded part is what I think is ridicules. I totally agree that it is true, and this should never be the case. There have even been times late in games, when we still have a very good chance to win that the opposing team is shooting free throws, and it seems like everyone is just sitting watching them silently. We should be cheering like we were a few years ago against Texas when they missed those key free throws late in the game.
I think the problem is the crowd has shifted from beleiving we can come back to "here we go again..."
I think in some ways we might get back to the old ways, but in order for the crowd to cheer even when the team is down by 10....the crowd has to have some past precedent or some tangible evidence to give them belief that the team can come back. Nothing during the past 2+ years gives us that belief right now, and so consequently its hard get the crowd more involved with the game.
Hilton magic will return when the program starts winning again. The fringe/marginal fans that top off Hilton magic noise will start coming/caring again when the program is winning.
Whining about the lack of the magic on this site is useless...since we are the hard core base to begin with..
Whining about the lack of the magic on this site is useless...since we are the hard core base to begin with..
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So we have two issues:
1. Are fans loud enough and should the be better. This will be debated all day. And it is a very complex issue.
2. The second issue is what seems to be the a major part of the issue from what you express.
Yes there were fans who had had seats in the parquet for many years that chose not to pay the donation level to sit in the Parquest. Many of them had been grandfathered in and were paying a lower donation level than was required for those seats for many years.
While it may have required a $2,500 donation, they were only donating, $1,000, $1,500 or even less. Does that make them good or bad fans? No. They were long time ticket holders and they have been good supporters. And, they should always have first selection over a new donor at the same level. That is why there is a priority system.
However, at the same time, their have been donors that for years have been making more than the minimum donation level to sit in the lower level and have not been able to move down for 4-5 years. I personally know of at least 4-5 for which this was the case. They kept donating over $2,500+/year and could only sit in the balcony in a $1,000 donation section.
Most of these finally had a chance to move down when the AD asked everyone to simply pay the correct donation level for the seats a donor is sitting in.
Leaving the yelling, standing out if it.
Who has been a better fan?
a. The one who has had tickets longer but has not paid the full donation for the seating area?
b. Or, the one who has set in a lower seating area who continued to give more of a donation than required for many years as well.
For the record, I am not talking about donors who have just signed on in the last year and expect to move up. I am talking donors waiting for a significant period of time.
The amount required to sit in the Parquet did not change, they only asked everyone sitting there to pay the minimum donation.
Whether or not that is true isn't the point.
Hilton isn't as consistently loud during games as it has been in the past. The fans don't cheer when the other team goes on a little run, and they don't cheer when the other team shoots free throws. That is the point.
Some people said the magic was back against Kansas, and I wonder if they ever went to a game pre 2005. It clearly wasn't back.
You can blame it on the losses, the program, the offense, what ever you want. You may even be right, but it doesn't change the fact that the fans sit on their hands more times than not
Your point seems hollow though, because the reason fans aren't as loud and nutty as they once were is because they don't believe in the team nearly as much. By virtue of our arguments, you can clearly see that we do agree that Hilton isn't what it once was. And it won't come back until the team plays in a way that makes us believe in them again. The truth hurts, but thats all there is to it.
I'm not saying I disagree with you. I am arguing with those who thought it was a great crowd on Saturday. It was not
Alrighty....of course its all relative too. For a team that has struggled that much, that was a great crowd. Compared to Hilton past, yeah probably not.
Remember when Stinson got that triple-double? Nobody had any idea he was one reeb away until somebody told Wayne and they put him back in. Players and coaches aren't tallying stats as the game goes on.
I can't believe so many are hung up over the staff not making sure Brackins got one or two more points.
So what if he did get it? He holds the record in a losing effort?
Yet another moral victory for ISU.
Yes, would've been nice if he got it, but trying to win the game is more important. And no one can fault the staff for not knowing what the record was and how close Craig was to it.
Just motivation for him the next time out.
So what if he did get it? He holds the record in a losing effort?
Yet another moral victory for ISU.
Yes, would've been nice if he got it, but trying to win the game is more important. And no one can fault the staff for not knowing what the record was and how close Craig was to it.
Just motivation for him the next time out.
Actually they are. They have managers right there that are keeping a lot of stats. I don't think McD cared about the record and I wouldn't have either if I were him. If we were winning than it would have been a different story
I can't believe so many are hung up over the staff not making sure Brackins got one or two more points.
So what if he did get it? He holds the record in a losing effort?
Yet another moral victory for ISU.
Yes, would've been nice if he got it, but trying to win the game is more important. And no one can fault the staff for not knowing what the record was and how close Craig was to it.
Just motivation for him the next time out.
Agree
I thought it was much better to take him out and have the fans give him a standing O