Bowl Situation Thread

[Mizzoulander]

Oh yeah, you guys have finally convinced me. After hearing Nebraska, aTm, and now Mizzou, I think we have to believe it. Might as well get those applications to the SEC and the Big 10 in the mail. Oh, wait, that's right, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS! Please, stop trying to convince us how good of an idea this is and how ISU better wake up to the reality. We know the reality, but the greater reality is it's the Big XII or bust for ISU. The SEC wants you, go there and tell them your sob stories.

Not true. Did any of us Big 12 fans KNOW about the degree of dysfunction in the conference back in the mid-2000's, before conference realignment? No. We were too busy talking about firing Frank Solich and how Gary Barnett abused his female kicker.

But we KNOW now. And just because Missouri et al couldn't get the Big 12 to work better doesn't mean that it can't be done. I don't think the SEC deal gets done without the tremendous pressure exerted by ordinary Mizzou fans (and donors behind the scenes.) Know the issues and pressure the leaders.

It may be Big 12 or Bust for ISU. But that doesn't mean it has to be the SAME Big 12 we've always had, or that "Bust" wouldn't be an option, if it meant a larger group of schools with AQ access and revenue sharing. But this isn't the place for that discussion.

I'll never convince most folks here that Mizzou to the SEC is a good idea...and I won't even try. But I hope that a few who care about their team might move beyond the "you're just an irrational ugly chick at a bar who lifted their skirt..." and think about how non-elite teams are supposed to compete and improve in this environment.

Conferences are nothing more than the member schools (or their athletic programs). The schools are nothing more than the fans who support them. We're the customers. If we don't like the product, we SHOULD let them know.

 

[jbclone10]

Not true. Did any of us Big 12 fans KNOW about the degree of dysfunction in the conference back in the mid-2000's, before conference realignment? No. We were too busy talking about firing Frank Solich and how Gary Barnett abused his female kicker.

But we KNOW now. And just because Missouri et al couldn't get the Big 12 to work better doesn't mean that it can't be done. I don't think the SEC deal gets done without the tremendous pressure exerted by ordinary Mizzou fans (and donors behind the scenes.) Know the issues and pressure the leaders.

It may be Big 12 or Bust for ISU. But that doesn't mean it has to be the SAME Big 12 we've always had, or that "Bust" wouldn't be an option, if it meant a larger group of schools with AQ access and revenue sharing. But this isn't the place for that discussion.

I'll never convince most folks here that Mizzou to the SEC is a good idea...and I won't even try. But I hope that a few who care about their team might move beyond the "you're just an irrational ugly chick at a bar who lifted their skirt..." and think about how non-elite teams are supposed to compete and improve in this environment.

Conferences are nothing more than the member schools (or their athletic programs). The schools are nothing more than the fans who support them. We're the customers. If we don't like the product, we SHOULD let them know.

See bold and GTFO

 

[KidSilverhair]

And maybe you're okay with that. But eventually, Rhoads is going to keep improving his team and with a better W-L record you'll want to play for bigger stakes (MUCH bigger than the Holiday Bowl!) And then you'll find out how well the Big 12 serves its members.

Good Lord, you are such a whiner. Why aren't you chatting up Gator boards or Crimson Tide fans? Or, better yet, Vandy and Ole Miss message boards?

And why do you even care about the future of Iowa State and Coach Rhoads? It's pretty obvious you don't, from your stalwart defense of Mizzou's bailout from the "dysfunctional" Big 12. You know, when you're a member of a group that isn't working, there are two paths to take. You stick with it, work hard to make it better, and hope to turn it around. Or you throw up your hands and walk out. We already know which path you've chosen. So why are you still here?

Here's a quote from Gary Pinkel today: Gary Pinkel on Big 12's role in bowl process: "I'd like to think they'll do what's right." Yeah, what's right. Like looking out for number 1. If we go by Mizzou's definition of "what's right," that means the conference should take care of its own first and foremost, in the best interests of the Big 12 ... while MU can look out for the best interests of their institution in the Compass Bowl or something. You've gotta have big brass balls if you think the Big 12 owes you anything this year.

Maybe Pinkel needs to lay off the Danny Dan Juice.

 

[HILLCYD]

Good Lord, you are such a whiner. Why aren't you chatting up Gator boards or Crimson Tide fans? Or, better yet, Vandy and Ole Miss message boards?

And why do you even care about the future of Iowa State and Coach Rhoads? It's pretty obvious you don't, from your stalwart defense of Mizzou's bailout from the "dysfunctional" Big 12. You know, when you're a member of a group that isn't working, there are two paths to take. You stick with it, work hard to make it better, and hope to turn it around. Or you throw up your hands and walk out. We already know which path you've chosen. So why are you still here?

Here's a quote from Gary Pinkel today: Gary Pinkel on Big 12's role in bowl process: "I'd like to think they'll do what's right." Yeah, what's right. Like looking out for number 1. If we go by Mizzou's definition of "what's right," that means the conference should take care of its own first and foremost, in the best interests of the Big 12 ... while MU can look out for the best interests of their institution in the Compass Bowl or something. You've gotta have big brass balls if you think the Big 12 owes you anything this year.

Maybe Pinkel needs to lay off the Danny Dan Juice.

We all know Pinkel always does what is right.

 

[Mizzoulander]

Good Lord, you are such a whiner. Why aren't you chatting up Gator boards or Crimson Tide fans? Or, better yet, Vandy and Ole Miss message boards?

And why do you even care about the future of Iowa State and Coach Rhoads? It's pretty obvious you don't, from your stalwart defense of Mizzou's bailout from the "dysfunctional" Big 12. You know, when you're a member of a group that isn't working, there are two paths to take. You stick with it, work hard to make it better, and hope to turn it around. Or you throw up your hands and walk out. We already know which path you've chosen. So why are you still here?

Here's a quote from Gary Pinkel today: Gary Pinkel on Big 12's role in bowl process: "I'd like to think they'll do what's right." Yeah, what's right. Like looking out for number 1. If we go by Mizzou's definition of "what's right," that means the conference should take care of its own first and foremost, in the best interests of the Big 12 ... while MU can look out for the best interests of their institution in the Compass Bowl or something. You've gotta have big brass balls if you think the Big 12 owes you anything this year.

Who's whining? This is a rare case where everybody can walk away happy: Iowa State gets a Big 12 bowl (Pinstripe), Missouri gets warm over the holidays, and the Big 12 gives MU a final boot on their way out the door.

This isn't a thread about conference realignment. Or Missouri. Or the SEC. This is just about where the Big 12 teams will land in bowl games this year.

ISU and Missouri will most likely be the last 2 teams selected. I'm interested in where folks here think the teams will end up.

 

[KidSilverhair]

And then you'll find out how well the Big 12 serves its members.

You. You're whining. That right there, is whining .. in a "Big 12 bowl situation" thread.

Look, ever since you joined this board you've been telling us how poorly the Big 12 has treated Missouri, and how there really wasn't any other logical choice except fleeing to the SEC. Fine. I can understand why someone might hold that viewpoint, although I don't agree with it. You think the Big 12 is dysfunctional, perhaps even doomed in the long run. I get it.

So why are you still telling us? You guys are out, kaput, gone, a memory, a vapor, a leaf in the breeze. As you keep telling us, the Big 12 means nothing to you, yet you keep hanging around, like a piece of moldy fruit in the garbage, reminding us that you're not gone yet.

I really hoped Mizzou would figure out a way to stay in the conference, just as I hoped A&M might. I think tradition and history (not to mention geographical rivalries) mean a lot in college sports. I'm sorry you and the Aggies decided it wasn't worth it to stick around. Seriously, you are going to be missed (well, not you personally, but the school). In my opinion, you and A&M both did add value to the Big 12. I'm sorry you felt mistreated - maybe if you guys bought more bowl tickets, you'd still be here, I don't know.

But if you're going to stick around anyway, don't be moaning about how awful you've been treated in this conference, then act surprised when you get called on it. You are a whiner. Admit it.

I also like how you cut off my "Danny Dan Juice" comment when you quoted me. Yeah, it was a cheap shot. But it was worth it!

 

[CyForPresident]

http://twitter.com/#!/dave_matter

Dave_Matter Dave Matter
Bowl official tells me buzz among bowl folks is that Meineke Car Care favors A&M, Pinstripe likes #Mizzou & Iowa State becomes at-large



I don't know how that is possible since there were zero bowl reps at the Border War.

 

[jbhtexas]

This was brought up on Miller and Deace...would you rather beat KSU and maybe end up being pushed down to the Pinstripe Bowl or lose a close game, have KSU get into the BCS. and potentially end up in the Holiday Bowl.

Huh??? What am I missing here??? Was there supposed to be there? Hopefully so, but if not...

First off, KSU is a huge longshot for the BCS at 10-2.

Secondly, how does ISU possibly get consideration for the Holiday Bowl without beating KSU? Losing to KSU would put ISU at #8 (the bottom) of the Big-12 bowl eligible teams at 3-6 in the conference.

If two Big 12 teams go to BCS (assuming OSU and KSU win), that leaves:

3. COTTON
4. ALAMO
5. INSIGHT
6. HOLIDAY
7. TEXAS
8. PINSTRIPE

If UT beats Baylor:
3. OU (6-3)
4. BU (5-4)
4. MU (5-4)
4. UT (5-4)
7. TAMU (4-5)
8. ISU (3-6)

If Baylor beats UT:
3. OU (6-3)
3. BU (6-3)
5. MU (5-4)
6. UT (4-5)
6. TAMU (4-5)
8. ISU (3-6)

ISU would have to jump two teams with better conference records to get to that #6 Holiday bowl. ISU would have to jump A&M for sure, and then possibly UT, BU, or MU, depending on how things fall out. I could see MU getting shuffled down because of the traveling issue, but why would a bowl pick ISU over a fanbase the size of TAMU's? The Big 12 would have to be putting immense pressure on the bowls to stick it to TAMU and MU for that to happen. No way that happens.

That's a tough one.

No it isn't. Why on earth would you trade a road win over a top 15 team for an unrealistic bowl scenario???

 

[BigJCy]

Rivals has us in the Military Bowl in D.C.:

Rivals.com College Football - Rivals.com 2011 bowl projections

 

[aeroclone]

Huh??? What am I missing here??? Was there supposed to be there? Hopefully so, but if not...

First off, KSU is a huge longshot for the BCS at 10-2.

Secondly, how does ISU possibly get consideration for the Holiday Bowl without beating KSU? Losing to KSU would put ISU at #8 (the bottom) of the Big-12 bowl eligible teams at 3-6 in the conference.

If two Big 12 teams go to BCS (assuming OSU and KSU win), that leaves:

3. COTTON
4. ALAMO
5. INSIGHT
6. HOLIDAY
7. TEXAS
8. PINSTRIPE

If UT beats Baylor:
3. OU (6-3)
4. BU (5-4)
4. MU (5-4)
4. UT (5-4)
7. TAMU (4-5)
8. ISU (3-6)

If Baylor beats UT:
3. OU (6-3)
3. BU (6-3)
5. MU (5-4)
6. UT (4-5)
6. TAMU (4-5)
8. ISU (3-6)

ISU would have to jump two teams with better conference records to get to that #6 Holiday bowl. ISU would have to jump A&M for sure, and then possibly UT, BU, or MU, depending on how things fall out. I could see MU getting shuffled down because of the traveling issue, but why would a bowl pick ISU over a fanbase the size of TAMU's? The Big 12 would have to be putting immense pressure on the bowls to stick it to TAMU and MU for that to happen. No way that happens.



No it isn't. Why on earth would you trade a road win over a top 15 team for an unrealistic bowl scenario???

Didn't we jump two teams to go to the insight last time we went bowling? I believe that both aTm and Mizzou were ahead of us in the standings.

 

[CycloneWarning]

http://twitter.com/#!/dave_matter

Dave_Matter Dave Matter
Bowl official tells me buzz among bowl folks is that Meineke Car Care favors A&M, Pinstripe likes #Mizzou & Iowa State becomes at-large



I don't know how that is possible since there were zero bowl reps at the Border War.

This would be great if true. I hope JP has his pulse on the fanbase, and the majority preference to take an at-large spot at Dallas than to travel to the Pinstripe. Let MU have the ******* game. I have no problem with ISU takings its chances in the at large mix.

Course, there are still games to be played and a better situation is (a) ISU beats KSU, (b) Baylor beats UT and moves ahead of Michigan, (c) Michigan gets #15 in BCS and is not eligible, (d) 2 Big 12 teams get BCS spots, (e) ISU moves up to Holiday.

P.S. I hear Pinkel is keen on the Pinstripe and is already looking forward to tying one on at Times Square.:wink:

 

[Stormin]

This would be great if true. I hope JP has his pulse on the fanbase, and the majority preference to take an at-large spot at Dallas than to travel to the Pinstripe. Let MU have the ******* game. I have no problem with ISU takings its chances in the at large mix.

Course, there are still games to be played and a better situation is (a) ISU beats KSU, (b) Baylor beats UT and moves ahead of Michigan, (c) Michigan gets #15 in BCS and is not eligible, (d) 2 Big 12 teams get BCS spots, (e) ISU moves up to Holiday.

P.S. I hear Pinkel is keen on the Pinstripe and is already looking forward to tying one on at Times Square.:wink:

I have been seeing reports that Michigan could be eligible at #18. Not sure if that is true. But the media sure has been pumping up Michigan's first win over tOSU in 8 years.

I have also read reports that KSU is not as bad a draw as has been presented since their fanbase travels extremely well. Possible BCS. IMO, Boise State is a possibility as well since they only have 1 loss. Michigan is not a good team. And really only has one quality win over a Nebraska team that is not an elite team by any means. Big Ten is really weak.

 

[chuckd4735]

I have been seeing reports that Michigan could be eligible at #18. Not sure if that is true. But the media sure has been pumping up Michigan's first win over tOSU in 8 years.

I have also read reports that KSU is not as bad a draw as has been presented since their fanbase travels extremely well. Possible BCS. IMO, Boise State is a possibility as well since they only have 1 loss. Michigan is not a good team. And really only has one quality win over a Nebraska team that is not an elite team by any means. Big Ten is really weak.

BCS selection procedures

If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:
A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.

 

[Cyclonz]

I have been seeing reports that Michigan could be eligible at #18. Not sure if that is true. But the media sure has been pumping up Michigan's first win over tOSU in 8 years.

Yes this is true - if conference has one BCS team, 2nd team only needs to be #18 in BCS. I really don't see any scenario where Big 12 gets 2nd BCS team.

 

[chuckd4735]

I have been seeing reports that Michigan could be eligible at #18. Not sure if that is true. But the media sure has been pumping up Michigan's first win over tOSU in 8 years.

Yes this is true - if conference has one BCS team, 2nd team only needs to be #18 in BCS. I really don't see any scenario where Big 12 gets 2nd BCS team.

If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.

The way I read this, the Big 12 would have to have 2 teams chosen, if they had two teams in the Top 14, before Michigan could be chosen, if they were 15-18.

 

[CyFan61]

The way I read this, the Big 12 would have to have 2 teams chosen, if they had two teams in the Top 14, before Michigan could be chosen, if they were 15-18.

This is correct. The key is "If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection." This means that if the top 14 is packed with teams that have not won 9 regular season games you can go down to #18. This is not the case this season.

 

[CycloneWarning]

This is correct. The key is "If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection." This means that if the top 14 is packed with teams that have not won 9 regular season games you can go down to #18. This is not the case this season.

Thanks for the clarification. That is very interesting. This Michigan situation will be interesting to follow. They are #16 this week (ineligible). But everyone expects them to move up past Wisky/MSU loser and Georgia if they lose. That would put them at #14 and in position to be selected ahead of OSU/OU loser or KSU (if they beat ISU).

But Michigan is idle, and #17 Baylor could leapfrog Michigan by beating a quality BCS team in #22 UT. That would leave Michigan at #15 and out. Baylor is already ahead of Michigan in the computer rankings, but two spots behind in the polls. If they close the gap to one spot behind with a good showing, and further strengthen the computer ranking, it might be interesting.

Unless the Harris or USA Today voters pull some shenaningans to help the Big 10 and Michigan.

 

[Wesley]

Pinkl to Times Square and Occupy TS. Say hi to Bloomberg for us.

That said it would be great for our recruiting if we go to Dallas.

 

[mike4cy]

Pinkl to Times Square and Occupy TS. Say hi to Bloomberg for us.

That said it would be great for our recruiting if we go to Dallas.

And a very easy trip for many a Cyclone fan :yes:

 

[CykoAGR]

And a very easy trip for many a Cyclone fan :yes:

Yep.

I selfishly want ISU to go to Dallas. Family in the area equals free lodging and someone to party with the knows the place to be on NYE.

Probably the only realistic location for this Cyclone.