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I read the first page and then skipped ahead, and it was only touched on in the OP from what I saw, but I could not believe the spotting of the ball. It seemed every ball was spotted a full yard back for ISU and (weird) the opposite for UT. I also think it had no affect on the outcome of the game like some others said, because we inflicted most of the pain on ourselves. I just don't see why the refs felt like they needed to help.
 
Yep, officials are only human. It just amazes me how much more their human frailties have impacted ISU than other teams over the years (cough, cough, Texas, OU, NU, cough).
 
edr247 said:
UT vs. CU - Ref fist pump - YouTube
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I don't know about that one boys? I've watched it 10 times, and each time I'm seeing him give a gesture to the other official. Something along the lines of; good get, nice call, or good job, something like that. It was a close play and he was just confirming what he saw with the other official. No way IMO would anyone jeopardize their officiating career by giving a gesture that they are happy a team scored.
 
isumills said:
I don't know about that one boys? I've watched it 10 times, and each time I'm seeing him give a gesture to the other official. Something along the lines of; good get, nice call, or good job, something like that. It was a close play and he was just confirming what he saw with the other official. No way IMO would anyone jeopardize their officiating career by giving a gesture that they are happy a team scored.
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lol, okay
 
isumills said:
I don't know about that one boys? I've watched it 10 times, and each time I'm seeing him give a gesture to the other official. Something along the lines of; good get, nice call, or good job, something like that. It was a close play and he was just confirming what he saw with the other official. No way IMO would anyone jeopardize their officiating career by giving a gesture that they are happy a team scored.
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:jimlad:?
 
ruxCYtable said:
One thing that has surprised me this year is the amount of "guessing" I see going on. An official who is near a play will call nothing, then a flag will come flying in from 30 yards away. Sometimes it can be difficult to see a play when you are right on top of it, I'll grant that, but I've seen several occasions this year where the nearer official called it correctly and an official from 30 yards away comes in and overrules him on what was clearly a guess.

I have never officiated football but when Iowa went from two-person to three-person crews in basketball a few years ago, one of the mantras was "no more guessing." I'd rather miss a call because I didn't see it than guess, and guess wrong. And believe me I've done both!

Calling stuff that just didn't happen and/or guessing has just got to stop. Also, selective interpretation of what is and is not "irrefutable video evidence" is ruining the replay system.
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Is there a pecking order when overruling calls? Or does the last person to weigh-in get their opinion counted as official? Anytime I've seen an official overrule another (that I can remember) it seems that whoever made the call last is deemed "correct".
 
iahawkhunter said:
Is there a pecking order when overruling calls? Or does the last person to weigh-in get their opinion counted as official? Anytime I've seen an official overrule another (that I can remember) it seems that whoever made the call last is deemed "correct".
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I think it's whichever official can beat up the other officials.
 
isumills said:
Your right, what was I thinking. This is a message so no common sense or rational thought process is allowed. I will now fall back in line with the masses, and if still available a size 7 3/4 fitted tin foil hat please.:twitcy:
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Not sure if you seriously believe this.
 
HFCS said:
I believe it was 95 to 5 in penalty yards, ISU to UConn. Their one penalty was a 4th quarter call where their d lineman was a full yard off sides, a must call. There was an obvious holding penalty on UConn early, that was flagged, and they picked up the flag and said no infraction. There was a UConn TD where the guy was down a full yard in front of the end zone, the announcers were positive it would be called back...TD.
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It was actually worse than that because it was initially ruled correctly as being down at the one yard line. One angle clearly showed him down short of the goal line and all other angles were inconclusive, and yet they change it and say it was a touchdown. I've seen plays upheld that I disagreed with, but I don't think I've ever seen such horrible call on a reversal.
 
The Big T1e2xas conference officials will continue to back the big dog of the conference.
What I cannot stomach are the numerous times a play SHOULD be reviewed, but for some reason is NOT. Case in point - White's last 2 runs at the goal line. The first in the corner, and the 2nd when KO was also injured. No way in Hell those should not have been reviewed.
ARobs TD last year in Texas - not reviewed (should have been). He ran it in on an option pitch the next play, but it shouldn't have come to that. He was in.

I thought 'every play is reviewed' in all of college football. Rather, it appears all plays are reviewed, unless it may benefit the ISU Cyclones, then it is a toss up.
Yes, we have had some reviews go our way, but we have had way too many not reviewed that deserved to be reviewed.
 
BigLame said:
What I cannot stomach are the numerous times a play SHOULD be reviewed, but for some reason is NOT.
I thought 'every play is reviewed' in all of college football.
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Just because play isn't halted for further review doesn't mean the play isn't being reviewed.
 
andybernard said:
Not sure if you seriously believe this.
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I seriously don't believe that official is cheering the touchdown by Texas. I just don't see it. IMO he is clearly talking to the field judge who is just out of the picture on the left. It's clear in my mind what I see, just as I can't convince some otherwise, you won't be able to convince me that he is cheering the score.
 
iahawkhunter said:
Is there a pecking order when overruling calls? Or does the last person to weigh-in get their opinion counted as official? Anytime I've seen an official overrule another (that I can remember) it seems that whoever made the call last is deemed "correct".
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Basketball officials are told to NOT overrule a partner unless they are 100% sure they are correct. From this it would seem football officials operate under a similar understanding, which lends itself to your "last call" theory.
 
Here's what we should do: FANS should be the ones called on to review plays and just like a reality t.v. show be given a little push-button deal on their chairs for multiple choice options put up on the jumbo-tron with the replays played over and over from different angles until all votes are in.

Then home team advantage would maybe mean something OR you'd find out on national t.v. who has the most honest fanbase....yeah, maybe not that so much, but you'd like to think so, right?

EDIT: And shouldn't a rule be put in place that if the t.v. cameras catch such an obvious personal foul that could lead to serious injury like the Blythe "face rape" that the officals are called on the field and forced to make the call? I mean, if all the referees really are honest and hardworking they'd love this right? Then we could complain about how ESPN is fixing the game by focusing on only one teams fouls, but that's another thread entirely.....
 
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It got so bad on Sat. that I was in another room, heard that we scored and asked my husband what it would get called back for. Suuuuure enough, that was the PI call and it came back. The call that Money(?) dropped the ball was ridiculous - there was NOT indisputable evidence to overturn that one. Then when they got the td on the next play, it wasn't even reviewed. For BOTH calls the announcers were saying, 'oh, no that won't be overturned, he caught it, and that looked like a TD to me". It was the worst officiating I've seen in a while. I was about throwing my computer when the officials looked like they weren't going to call that offsides on Texas toward the end.

For the record, I think that ISU would have lost anyway - the refs did NOT cost us the game but they sure as heck didn't help the comeback effort in the second half.
 
andybernard said:
I read the first page and then skipped ahead, and it was only touched on in the OP from what I saw, but I could not believe the spotting of the ball. It seemed every ball was spotted a full yard back for ISU and (weird) the opposite for UT. I also think it had no affect on the outcome of the game like some others said, because we inflicted most of the pain on ourselves. I just don't see why the refs felt like they needed to help.
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Nice catch. Allow me to quote........myself from earlier in the thread:

joefrog said:
And that my friend is how nudges in game outcomes happen. Want to have some fun? Do an aggregate of longing and shorting ball spots for the last couple games for the teams and tell me what you come up with in the yardage difference.
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It sure looked to me that ISU would be spotted where they started to go down, while ut was spotted where they stopped actually moving. Huge difference.
 
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