Looking at the list of past winners, my guess would be Underwood.
Big 12 COY
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Brad Underwood is having more success with less talent then Travis Ford ever did.
I would nominate Jamie Dixon if it wasn't for his loss of 5 straight games (all against the best 5 teams in the conference.) TCU was the bottom feeders of the Big 12 and he made them pretty damn good. And it was him, too. I saw somewhere that his bench has more games started than his actual starters
I would nominate Jamie Dixon if it wasn't for his loss of 5 straight games (all against the best 5 teams in the conference.) TCU was the bottom feeders of the Big 12 and he made them pretty damn good. And it was him, too. I saw somewhere that his bench has more games started than his actual starters
I'm usually in the boat that Self deserves more credit than he gets for these awards, but their off the court issues this year give me pause. Wouldn't want to give it it him and then have it turn ugly after the season comes to an end.
Imo COY should be a measure of value added. Would the average coach do just as well with that team or program?
Imo Prohm and Huggins have done a great job. I could see Underwood being mentioned also, but they were always going to be better than a year ago. Dixon and Self did well in meeting expectations.
Imo Prohm and Huggins have done a great job. I could see Underwood being mentioned also, but they were always going to be better than a year ago. Dixon and Self did well in meeting expectations.
In post 25, I was more talking about college basketball coaches in general.
I guess I don't get why your discrediting him because he's at Kansas. And it's pretty silly you're gunna sit here and argue, but you won't give your opinion on coy.
Yeah, we seem to have this discussion every year. I'm not the guy that says the team's coach that wins the championship should be the coy, but I'm some years it should be, even if that team is the pre season pick to win.Looking at the list of past winners, my guess would be Underwood.
Let's be real, Kansas is, without a doubt, going to be picked to win the title every year, until someone finally knocks them off, so the argument that they were expected to win, is silly.
Personally, I think since KU is a staple to win the conference every year, it has really just become a "most improved coach of the year" award.
In my original post I said, "That doesn't jump out as superior coaching." and "Self has won 13 conference championships in a row, definitely impressive." Neither of those is saying he did a bad job and I don't think I made any negative comments about his performance. I just said that I don't think that given the advantages of being at Kansas that their performance indicates his coaching was exceptional.
If I were to go negative for starters I would point out that he was 3 minutes away from being swept by WVU...a team that no one would say is as talented as his. And for the record I don't think Huggs deserves it either...too many head scratcher losses including the meteoric burnout at KU. And no I don't think he or they won that game, WVU gave it away (obviously not talking pts here).
Brad Underwood easily. OSU went 3-15 last year in conference and won 10 games this year. Not hard at all.
Bill will win it. After all he won the Big 12 with far less McDonald's AA's than he usually has. Frank came out of HS ranked just 76th by Rivals. Monte was 96th the same year. BTW Graham was ranked 36th the next year. How can he keep winning with such low-ranked recruits?
Plus Josh Jackson (#1 recruit) and Udoka Azubuike (even though he was injured, he was also the #31 recruit). Both McDonald's All Americans. How can you ever win with such Fran McCaffery level recruits? The humanity!
Brad Underwood has done a hell of a job turning that program around in 9 months. He has done the best coaching job in the big12. CSP has a senior loaded team that he gotten to the high end of expectations. Self - he had a decade plus to build his program, with mix of experience and top 5 NBA pick.....most of us here could have coached that KU team to the top of the big 12.
Graham and Mason were completely unranked coming out of high school and magically showed up as ranked only after signing with Kansas. The recruit ranking services dont like to think they "missed" on a player that signs with a big name school so they elevate players like Mason and Graham from unranked into the rankings based solely on "if Kansas signed them then they must be good."
Neither was a Top 100 recruit prior to it looking like they would sign with Kansas.
So basically, since Self can never overachieve based on preseason expectations then he is eliminated from the CoY award. And KU will be picked first every year for the forseeable future whther it is warranted or not. Why? Because the coaches who pick preseason know he is good enough that no matter what he encounters, he is good enough to adjust and win.
Yeah, that's it. Probably more like signing with Appalachian St kept Graham the top 100 ranking. Both went on to prep school after HS. Gave the blue bloods more time to see them. Point being they were not the slouches KU fans like to think they were.
