I think you vastly overestimate the difficulty of going on the road in the NBA. Do you think ISU took a charter flight into Lawrence for that road game? Because that's the only way they are traveling in the NBA. No matter how many assistants you have helping with recruiting, the head coach is flying all over the country into random spots and tooling around in a rental car to who knows where to watch games/tourneys, etc... or to meet with recruits and their families. Personally, to pour years into some of these kids and not have them choose your school would frustrate and exhaust me year after year.
Being College Coach Vs NBA Coach
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Agreed. Even the crummy NBA teams are basically college all star teams. It would be awesome to have that caliber of athlete to execute your plans and plays. Some coaches like to teach the fundamentals to players. Some coaches like to teach high level stuff to guys that have already been taught the fundamentals by someone else.
The Bulls circus trip alone is more draining than any 2 weeks of an NCAA season. The years the Bulls don't have an elite team they get absolutely demolished on that western road trip.
In game decisions and strategy have a much bigger impact in the NBA. There's more close games, the best teams only win around 80% of their regular season games. Kentucky won 100% this year. Good college teams just need to show up and give some effort through most of the non-conf. And that's true for many home conf. games too. The NBA season and playoffs are a better evaluation of top teams. It's not the crap shoot of the NCAA tournament.
As a coach you get to coach talented guys that are used to playing in close games and can execute game plans in crunch time. A lot of college teams can't even execute a 2 for 1 at the end of the half properly.
As a coach you get to coach talented guys that are used to playing in close games and can execute game plans in crunch time. A lot of college teams can't even execute a 2 for 1 at the end of the half properly.
Just because you'd personally rather coach amateurs doesn't mean everyone would. No one is trying to convince people that every single person would rather coach in the NBA. Reasonable people are just suggesting that some people may prefer coaching in the NBA to coaching in college.
How foolish would I sound if I said "Can someone explain to my why anyone would rather eat at Applesbees and a Chili's. I love Chili's. I can comprehend how anyone could have different preferences than me."
There are a lot of reasons a college coach would want to go to the NBA, that it's easier or less stressful isn't one of them. Any college coach who thought that is in for a huge slap in the face. That's silliness that non-NBA fans or huge NCAA fans make up for some reason.
Many people may want a Ferrari instead of a Mazda, it doesn't mean owning the Ferrari is easier or more simple.
It is incredibly hard to succeed as an NBA coach, Thibs is one of many recent coach of the year winners to get fired. Doc Rivers got fired. Rick Pitino is arguably one of the biggest NBA failure coaches you could find. It's 3 times as many games a year. The egos can be out of control and not just players but owners and the front office. The media pressure in cities like Chicago, NYC and Philly is a behemoth.
I totally get why a college coach would want to try the NBA. I do not get why college fans bend over backwards pretending the job is less stressful somehow.
Many people may want a Ferrari instead of a Mazda, it doesn't mean owning the Ferrari is easier or more simple.
It is incredibly hard to succeed as an NBA coach, Thibs is one of many recent coach of the year winners to get fired. Doc Rivers got fired. Rick Pitino is arguably one of the biggest NBA failure coaches you could find. It's 3 times as many games a year. The egos can be out of control and not just players but owners and the front office. The media pressure in cities like Chicago, NYC and Philly is a behemoth.
I totally get why a college coach would want to try the NBA. I do not get why college fans bend over backwards pretending the job is less stressful somehow.
I can remember a video of Phil Jackson getting on his motorcycle and riding off after one of the Bull's championship celebrations. Didn't have a care in the world. The NBA season is longer, but when the season is over the coach is free until the next season's training camp.
A coach wins the NCAA championship and he probably spends the next day contacting every recruit he can think of. There is no relaxation period for college coaches.
A coach wins the NCAA championship and he probably spends the next day contacting every recruit he can think of. There is no relaxation period for college coaches.
You would have to define quality. If you mean that ****ty NBA teams would still crush good NCAA teams that's kind of a low bar and apples/oranges thing...
CycloneErik
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I agree, though I would add that the stresses are of different origins and may suit coaches differently. For example, for a coach that hates recruiting, dealing with 41 road games and back-to-back games may be a worthwhile tradeoff. It's not less stressful, per se, to coach in the NBA, but there may be more enjoyable/rewarding moments (depending on the coach's personality). But I certainly don't think it's a cakewalk like some posters seem to think.
Going back to the OP, I think it's clear that Hoiberg really enjoys the X's-and-O's part of the game. The NBA offers the most games, possessions, and special situations (not to mention player ability) to test that out. It's no surprise that he's intrigued by the opportunity.
College coaches are expected to blow out opponents (non-conference games for the most part) or win everything else every night. Much more pressure than NBA where they only want real success in one month of the year.
Who knows if that is true, but "at least 3 starters" is a pretty huge accusation.
Rose, Butler, Noah, Gasol, Dunleavy I think would typically be called the starting lineup this year.
I can't say I know Gasol's personality as well as the other 4 but they are all pretty high character guys as NBA players go.
I fervently hope the Mayor stays at ISU. He has built a fine program there (not to disrespect the program before he arrived), is a class act, a great coach, and really good for the league.
I have always like the guy, (even when he was dropping double doubles on us as a player) and respected the magic.
But if he leaves, I trust that you can get a high caliber replacement. You guys are a top ten team with a ridiculously loyal fan base, and a very intimidating colosseum in which other teams have to play.
I have always like the guy, (even when he was dropping double doubles on us as a player) and respected the magic.
But if he leaves, I trust that you can get a high caliber replacement. You guys are a top ten team with a ridiculously loyal fan base, and a very intimidating colosseum in which other teams have to play.
Here's what people seem to not understand. When you're a coach in college, you are so much more than that. Coaches in college are the General Manager as well. They recruit, schedule, etc. In the NBA, the scheduling is pretty much done for you by the NBA. I think Fred just wants to coach, and let GarPax get his players for him (although I don't think the current roster is a Hoiball type roster).
I just can't blame him for not wanting those extra duties. Although, there are AT LEAST 82 games in a season. Then you have preseason and playoffs. Some coaches even participate in the summer league (others relegate job to assistants). The traveling all over would be fun for a bit, but would get really old and annoying after a while. Reggie Miller explained this on NBATV Open Court on one of the shows.
I just can't blame him for not wanting those extra duties. Although, there are AT LEAST 82 games in a season. Then you have preseason and playoffs. Some coaches even participate in the summer league (others relegate job to assistants). The traveling all over would be fun for a bit, but would get really old and annoying after a while. Reggie Miller explained this on NBATV Open Court on one of the shows.
That's more rational than saying coaching in the NBA is less stressful, takes less energy, easier, simpler, etc...it's not. It is a huge grind and more successful coaches get canned in the NBA than any other sport I've seen.
The Bulls circus trip alone is so different than what any college team and coach has to do. Imagine the entire NCAA tournament run of 6 games, condensed down into 10 days where none of the sites are within 1000 miles of your college. Then after you play all 6 of those you have 2-3 more road games immediately after. That's part of every November for the Chicago Bulls.
The Bulls have some pieces that would fit Hoiberg's style. Jimmy Butler fits every style everywhere. Rose might frustrate launching 3s but he can push tempo like few others, he is unlikely to play though, just sad truth. Mirotic isn't the fastest guy but talk about a guy who stretches the defense. McDermott still hasn't played enough to really know but he could be a good fit. Most of the other big guys aren't great shooters and don't have the legs they did, Gasol is certainly a deadly midrange shooter on the longer side of midrange. Tony Snell is a real Hoiball type of player, but probably just a role player.