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"I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?" by melcor
I do not think my opinion is any better then anyone else's opinion.............The difference is I do not constantly repeat myself harping that the boat aint gonna float before it even hits the water. There are some of what Discombob's opinions that I share a little of concern with him. The difference is, I have made my opinion known once or twice and it seems like everytime I am on the site I see a new thread barking about the same mistakes that Gmac hasn't even made yet. I agree that everyone, whether it be negative or positive is entitled to their opinion. I disagree that the same opinions need be posted over and over and over and over and over. I might agree with Discombob in a couple years or he might agree with us that are more positive (hopefully that is the case for all of us clone fans). I just want to have actual events make my opinion of someone after they have had ample time to show what they truly are........
I do not think my opinion is any better then anyone else's opinion.............The difference is I do not constantly repeat myself harping that the boat aint gonna float before it even hits the water. There are some of what Discombob's opinions that I share a little of concern with him. The difference is, I have made my opinion known once or twice and it seems like everytime I am on the site I see a new thread barking about the same mistakes that Gmac hasn't even made yet. I agree that everyone, whether it be negative or positive is entitled to their opinion. I disagree that the same opinions need be posted over and over and over and over and over. I might agree with Discombob in a couple years or he might agree with us that are more positive (hopefully that is the case for all of us clone fans). I just want to have actual events make my opinion of someone after they have had ample time to show what they truly are........
Discombob...I have said it before and i will say it again, you ,make this site pretty interesting to read. That being said, you have complained about the spring recruits that mcD brought in...What did you want him to do? start signing recruits in december when he was traveling with UNI as their coach. He could not have gotten better recruits than what he got in the time he had. Its that simple.
Without knowing each of these recruits individually, how can Discombombulated make a "blanket statement" that our spring recruits are "high risk"?? Perhaps he could fill us in on their grade point averages, and the amount of credits they will have (the Jucos). Perhaps he could give us Wesley Johnson's GPA in high school and SAT or ACT score, how many times he took the exam, etc. etc.
I would be willing to bet that Discombombulated has no idea what he is talking about. He generally posts pessimistic unsubstantiated drivel. Therefore, using logic I can conclude that he is definitely full of bullsh*t and should be ignored.
I would be willing to bet that Discombombulated has no idea what he is talking about. He generally posts pessimistic unsubstantiated drivel. Therefore, using logic I can conclude that he is definitely full of bullsh*t and should be ignored.
Discomb. I so am tempted to stoop to your level, but I will just clarify that you still are ignoring the central question....you make accusations without facts, you make things up to fit your ideas and then you blast anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Perhaps therapy would be in order. BTW, there are two definitions for slander the legal definition which you adequately quote and the common english definition that is the more common usage.
I would hope that you would understand that we all have heard you loud and clear we know where you stand. Try adding something of substance from time to time instead of dragging every thread down into this mess. Have you ever noticed that you are the one consistently responsible for driving away discussion of substantive interesting issues. Well if nothing else you do live up to your name.
Perhaps therapy would be in order. BTW, there are two definitions for slander the legal definition which you adequately quote and the common english definition that is the more common usage.
I would hope that you would understand that we all have heard you loud and clear we know where you stand. Try adding something of substance from time to time instead of dragging every thread down into this mess. Have you ever noticed that you are the one consistently responsible for driving away discussion of substantive interesting issues. Well if nothing else you do live up to your name.
I never said he could have gotten better recruits, BUT HE COULD HAVE TRIED HARDER TO KEEP THE GUYS WE HAD, on campus and coming in. I never said anything about our recruits in particular, it is a fact however that spring recruits have a higher fail rate than that of fall ones, just the way it works. If they were ready to go, they would be going somewhere already, simple as that
Dicom... Sorry, but you have lost all credibility on this site. Anyone who will boo Cyclone wins is obviously not a Cyclone Fanatic. You are not objective in your thoughts, you are a hater.
Are you going to post that on every thread without reading a word I said. You see what you want and respond to that. You have never adding anything to the discussion, so I believe it is you that has no credibility. Many of my predictions have come true, and I fear will contiinue to do so for years to come. The crowds will not be there, the players won't either, and we will not be good. That sums it up, I am willing to stick to my guns, you are willing to attack me. If we win I will be happy, when we lose you will never admitt i was right. Who wins in this argument, and quit posting the same reponce to every post I have unless you re-read the post you took out of context.
Then why did you say you will be the one booing, win or lose if we score under 70? Now you say if we win you will be happy? Which one is it? Please remind us of the many predictions that you made that have now come true. I don't remember you predicting anything, you just rip on everything that has happened. Maybe we won't be great next year but unless it can get worse than not being invited to the NIT it won't be any worse than this year. Anyone that will boo wins is a hater and that is what you said you will sometimes do.
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Then why did you say you will be the one booing, win or lose if we score under 70? Now you say if we win you will be happy? Which one is it? Please remind us of the many predictions that you made that have now come true. I don't remember you predicting anything, you just rip on everything that has happened. Maybe we won't be great next year but unless it can get worse than not being invited to the NIT it won't be any worse than this year. Anyone that will boo wins is a hater and that is what you said you will sometimes do.
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I heard a lot of fans booing our team last year win or lose. At the colorado game at hilton many people in my section were booing and cursing Curtis (and others) during the game, which we ended up winning easily. Why not call out the several thousand fans that were at that game and others that booed our team during wins and losses? If you don't then I would say you are a hypocrite. After actually reading Discombobulated's posts, I think that he is talking about booing the coach and the style of play, not the players that are out there representing our school. If you don't like what I say, please don't personally attack me, call me a hawk fan, or whatever else people on here do to Discombobulated. Have a nice day and go 'Clones!
Then why did you say you will be the one booing, win or lose if we score under 70? Now you say if we win you will be happy? Which one is it? Please remind us of the many predictions that you made that have now come true. I don't remember you predicting anything, you just rip on everything that has happened. Maybe we won't be great next year but unless it can get worse than not being invited to the NIT it won't be any worse than this year. Anyone that will boo wins is a hater and that is what you said you will sometimes do.
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I heard a lot of fans booing our team last year win or lose. At the colorado game at hilton many people in my section were booing and cursing Curtis (and others) during the game, which we ended up winning easily. Why not call out the several thousand fans that were at that game and others that booed our team during wins and losses? If you don't then I would say you are a hypocrite. After actually reading Discombobulated's posts, I think that he is talking about booing the coach and the style of play, not the players that are out there representing our school. If you don't like what I say, please don't personally attack me, call me a hawk fan, or whatever else people on here do to Discombobulated. Have a nice day and go 'Clones!
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Then why did you say you will be the one booing, win or lose if we score under 70? Now you say if we win you will be happy? Which one is it? Please remind us of the many predictions that you made that have now come true. I don't remember you predicting anything, you just rip on everything that has happened. Maybe we won't be great next year but unless it can get worse than not being invited to the NIT it won't be any worse than this year. Anyone that will boo wins is a hater and that is what you said you will sometimes do.
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Have you ever been to a game? besides the "fans" walking out with time on the clock, and the "fans" groaning whenever curtis took a shot, there were quite a few that booed when we won. maybe open you mcd shrowded eyes and see the truth, we will not be good, and in addittion we will be boring, what a great time to be a clone.
Then why did you say you will be the one booing, win or lose if we score under 70? Now you say if we win you will be happy? Which one is it? Please remind us of the many predictions that you made that have now come true. I don't remember you predicting anything, you just rip on everything that has happened. Maybe we won't be great next year but unless it can get worse than not being invited to the NIT it won't be any worse than this year. Anyone that will boo wins is a hater and that is what you said you will sometimes do.
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Have you ever been to a game? besides the "fans" walking out with time on the clock, and the "fans" groaning whenever curtis took a shot, there were quite a few that booed when we won. maybe open you mcd shrowded eyes and see the truth, we will not be good, and in addittion we will be boring, what a great time to be a clone.
I'm sure booing the home team is a great way to show support, not to mention a great way to welcome new players to Hilton. I can't think of a better way to motivate the team than that. ??? It also helps the recruiting process when prospective future Cyclones come to see a game. Is that the kind of classless fan you want to be??? Maybe you should consider moving to a place like Philadelphia, where that sort of tawdry behavior is the norm.
Personally, I think it's pathetic!!!
Personally, I think it's pathetic!!!
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Without knowing each of these recruits individually, how can Discombombulated make a "blanket statement" that our spring recruits are "high risk"?? Perhaps he could fill us in on their grade point averages, and the amount of credits they will have (the Jucos). Perhaps he could give us Wesley Johnson's GPA in high school and SAT or ACT score, how many times he took the exam, etc. etc.
I would be willing to bet that Discombombulated has no idea what he is talking about. He generally posts pessimistic unsubstantiated drivel. Therefore, using logic I can conclude that he is definitely full of bullsh*t and should be ignored.
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Spring recruits in general tend to be more high risk. I think that is a widely accepted fact. Are these spring recruits high risk? I don't know. Generalizations on work when dealing with large populations. You can't necessarily apply blanket statements to individuals. That being said spring recruits are usually spring recruits for a reason. Whether they are too small, to fat, have discipline problems, are lazy, had a late growth spurt, academic issues, limited basketball skills but excellent athletic ability, excellent basketball skills but limited athletically, etc. I could go on and on with the reasons, but there usually are reasons. Some guys fall through the cracks, and I hope that the guys GMac got all make it here, play out their eligibility here and are excellent players. That being said, I think there is enough reason to be worried about the recruiting class GMac has put together consisting of almost exclusively spring signees.
Without knowing each of these recruits individually, how can Discombombulated make a "blanket statement" that our spring recruits are "high risk"?? Perhaps he could fill us in on their grade point averages, and the amount of credits they will have (the Jucos). Perhaps he could give us Wesley Johnson's GPA in high school and SAT or ACT score, how many times he took the exam, etc. etc.
I would be willing to bet that Discombombulated has no idea what he is talking about. He generally posts pessimistic unsubstantiated drivel. Therefore, using logic I can conclude that he is definitely full of bullsh*t and should be ignored.
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Spring recruits in general tend to be more high risk. I think that is a widely accepted fact. Are these spring recruits high risk? I don't know. Generalizations on work when dealing with large populations. You can't necessarily apply blanket statements to individuals. That being said spring recruits are usually spring recruits for a reason. Whether they are too small, to fat, have discipline problems, are lazy, had a late growth spurt, academic issues, limited basketball skills but excellent athletic ability, excellent basketball skills but limited athletically, etc. I could go on and on with the reasons, but there usually are reasons. Some guys fall through the cracks, and I hope that the guys GMac got all make it here, play out their eligibility here and are excellent players. That being said, I think there is enough reason to be worried about the recruiting class GMac has put together consisting of almost exclusively spring signees.
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Without knowing each of these recruits individually, how can Discombombulated make a "blanket statement" that our spring recruits are "high risk"?? Perhaps he could fill us in on their grade point averages, and the amount of credits they will have (the Jucos). Perhaps he could give us Wesley Johnson's GPA in high school and SAT or ACT score, how many times he took the exam, etc. etc.
I would be willing to bet that Discombombulated has no idea what he is talking about. He generally posts pessimistic unsubstantiated drivel. Therefore, using logic I can conclude that he is definitely full of bullsh*t and should be ignored.
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Spring recruits in general tend to be more high risk. I think that is a widely accepted fact. Are these spring recruits high risk? I don't know. Generalizations on work when dealing with large populations. You can't necessarily apply blanket statements to individuals. That being said spring recruits are usually spring recruits for a reason. Whether they are too small, to fat, have discipline problems, are lazy, had a late growth spurt, academic issues, limited basketball skills but excellent athletic ability, excellent basketball skills but limited athletically, etc. I could go on and on with the reasons, but there usually are reasons. Some guys fall through the cracks, and I hope that the guys GMac got all make it here, play out their eligibility here and are excellent players. That being said, I think there is enough reason to be worried about the recruiting class GMac has put together consisting of almost exclusively spring signees.
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You are correct, there are certainly justifitable reasons to be a little worried about the recruiting class because they are as you said pretty much exclusively spring signees. But the fact is, we don't know how good or bad we'll be next year, so why not at least hope for good? It seems discombob. KNOWS ISU basketball will be bad next and in the future, and if they are decent, they'll be boring to watch and scoring under 70 points, thus making them impossible to cheer for. It's not his opinion itself that bothers me (because he has the right to it) but the way he presents it, as if it's fact, that us fans who hope GMAC can make next year a positive experience are insane or smokin' weed or something. I realize we all do it from time to time (who likes to be wrong?) but I haven't seen a post of his yet where he hasn't come off that way.
He may turn out to be right, we may suck balls next year, and he may be right on that GMAC will not recruit top notch talent. Until I see that proof here at ISU though, I'll continue to support GMAC and be impressed with what he's accomplished on such short notice.
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Without knowing each of these recruits individually, how can Discombombulated make a "blanket statement" that our spring recruits are "high risk"?? Perhaps he could fill us in on their grade point averages, and the amount of credits they will have (the Jucos). Perhaps he could give us Wesley Johnson's GPA in high school and SAT or ACT score, how many times he took the exam, etc. etc.
I would be willing to bet that Discombombulated has no idea what he is talking about. He generally posts pessimistic unsubstantiated drivel. Therefore, using logic I can conclude that he is definitely full of bullsh*t and should be ignored.
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Spring recruits in general tend to be more high risk. I think that is a widely accepted fact. Are these spring recruits high risk? I don't know. Generalizations on work when dealing with large populations. You can't necessarily apply blanket statements to individuals. That being said spring recruits are usually spring recruits for a reason. Whether they are too small, to fat, have discipline problems, are lazy, had a late growth spurt, academic issues, limited basketball skills but excellent athletic ability, excellent basketball skills but limited athletically, etc. I could go on and on with the reasons, but there usually are reasons. Some guys fall through the cracks, and I hope that the guys GMac got all make it here, play out their eligibility here and are excellent players. That being said, I think there is enough reason to be worried about the recruiting class GMac has put together consisting of almost exclusively spring signees.
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You are correct, there are certainly justifitable reasons to be a little worried about the recruiting class because they are as you said pretty much exclusively spring signees. But the fact is, we don't know how good or bad we'll be next year, so why not at least hope for good? It seems discombob. KNOWS ISU basketball will be bad next and in the future, and if they are decent, they'll be boring to watch and scoring under 70 points, thus making them impossible to cheer for. It's not his opinion itself that bothers me (because he has the right to it) but the way he presents it, as if it's fact, that us fans who hope GMAC can make next year a positive experience are insane or smokin' weed or something. I realize we all do it from time to time (who likes to be wrong?) but I haven't seen a post of his yet where he hasn't come off that way.
He may turn out to be right, we may suck balls next year, and he may be right on that GMAC will not recruit top notch talent. Until I see that proof here at ISU though, I'll continue to support GMAC and be impressed with what he's accomplished on such short notice.
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You are correct, there are certainly justifitable reasons to be a little worried about the recruiting class because they are as you said pretty much exclusively spring signees. But the fact is, we don't know how good or bad we'll be next year, so why not at least hope for good? It seems discombob. KNOWS ISU basketball will be bad next and in the future, and if they are decent, they'll be boring to watch and scoring under 70 points, thus making them impossible to cheer for. It's not his opinion itself that bothers me (because he has the right to it) but the way he presents it, as if it's fact, that us fans who hope GMAC can make next year a positive experience are insane or smokin' weed or something. I realize we all do it from time to time (who likes to be wrong?) but I haven't seen a post of his yet where he hasn't come off that way.
He may turn out to be right, we may suck balls next year, and he may be right on that GMAC will not recruit top notch talent. Until I see that proof here at ISU though, I'll continue to support GMAC and be impressed with what he's accomplished on such short notice.
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I write this all the time, but I'll do it again. I sincerely hope that my concerns and fears are unfounded because that will mean nothing but good things for ISU basketball. Additionally, I will support the team every time McDermott (or whoever) leads them onto the court. No coach or questionable recruiting class could make me do otherwise. I will not support McDermott untill I see results however, based on my misgivings about his coaching and recruiting abilities.
You say to wait and see before being too pessimistic, but how about all the people blindly supporting McDermott do the same before bashing people who hold a different opinion.
You are correct, there are certainly justifitable reasons to be a little worried about the recruiting class because they are as you said pretty much exclusively spring signees. But the fact is, we don't know how good or bad we'll be next year, so why not at least hope for good? It seems discombob. KNOWS ISU basketball will be bad next and in the future, and if they are decent, they'll be boring to watch and scoring under 70 points, thus making them impossible to cheer for. It's not his opinion itself that bothers me (because he has the right to it) but the way he presents it, as if it's fact, that us fans who hope GMAC can make next year a positive experience are insane or smokin' weed or something. I realize we all do it from time to time (who likes to be wrong?) but I haven't seen a post of his yet where he hasn't come off that way.
He may turn out to be right, we may suck balls next year, and he may be right on that GMAC will not recruit top notch talent. Until I see that proof here at ISU though, I'll continue to support GMAC and be impressed with what he's accomplished on such short notice.
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I write this all the time, but I'll do it again. I sincerely hope that my concerns and fears are unfounded because that will mean nothing but good things for ISU basketball. Additionally, I will support the team every time McDermott (or whoever) leads them onto the court. No coach or questionable recruiting class could make me do otherwise. I will not support McDermott untill I see results however, based on my misgivings about his coaching and recruiting abilities.
You say to wait and see before being too pessimistic, but how about all the people blindly supporting McDermott do the same before bashing people who hold a different opinion.
You call it blindly supporting Gmac, we call it trusting JP to make the right decision............. and as far as BASHING, I have seen more bashing from you and Discombobed to people trying to explain why they are optimistic. You can go anywhere on this awesome Cyclone Fanatic website and someone trying to put a positive spin on ISU BB or GMac as bashed by you guys as us being blind to the facts, being satisfied with mediocrity, or having fun badmouthing the players that left that for sure would have been 1st round draft picks if we would have kept them and hired someone like Coach K. . I feel you guys have a blind pessimism against Gmac based on so called facts that might or might not be true. I don't think you can compare what he did in the past with what he had to work with to where he is at now.
The past is the past and so are the facts.........You can't always used numbers in the past to predict future results when the total environment, available tools and national exposure have changed drastically. Besides, none of us are going to know what the change will do for ISU BB until next season so I hope we don't have to listen to post after post of the same bashing negativity that we have to listen too since Gmac was hired.....
The past is the past and so are the facts.........You can't always used numbers in the past to predict future results when the total environment, available tools and national exposure have changed drastically. Besides, none of us are going to know what the change will do for ISU BB until next season so I hope we don't have to listen to post after post of the same bashing negativity that we have to listen too since Gmac was hired.....
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You call it blindly supporting Gmac, we call it trusting JP to make the right decision............. and as far as BASHING, I have seen more bashing from you and Discombobed to people trying to explain why they are optimistic. You can go anywhere on this awesome Cyclone Fanatic website and someone trying to put a positive spin on ISU BB or GMac as bashed by you guys as us being blind to the facts, being satisfied with mediocrity, or having fun badmouthing the players that left that for sure would have been 1st round draft picks if we would have kept them and hired someone like Coach K. . I feel you guys have a blind pessimism against Gmac based on so called facts that might or might not be true. I don't think you can compare what he did in the past with what he had to work with to where he is at now.
The past is the past and so are the facts.........You can't always used numbers in the past to predict future results when the total environment, available tools and national exposure have changed drastically. Besides, none of us are going to know what the change will do for ISU BB until next season so I hope we don't have to listen to post after post of the same bashing negativity that we have to listen too since Gmac was hired.....
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I agree with you when say you can't use past numbers to predict the future, but it seems like people think that is ok when it matches their view point. I am not using past "numbers". I am just sharing what I think about the current situation. It differs from yours, and that is okay.
You call it blindly supporting Gmac, we call it trusting JP to make the right decision............. and as far as BASHING, I have seen more bashing from you and Discombobed to people trying to explain why they are optimistic. You can go anywhere on this awesome Cyclone Fanatic website and someone trying to put a positive spin on ISU BB or GMac as bashed by you guys as us being blind to the facts, being satisfied with mediocrity, or having fun badmouthing the players that left that for sure would have been 1st round draft picks if we would have kept them and hired someone like Coach K. . I feel you guys have a blind pessimism against Gmac based on so called facts that might or might not be true. I don't think you can compare what he did in the past with what he had to work with to where he is at now.
The past is the past and so are the facts.........You can't always used numbers in the past to predict future results when the total environment, available tools and national exposure have changed drastically. Besides, none of us are going to know what the change will do for ISU BB until next season so I hope we don't have to listen to post after post of the same bashing negativity that we have to listen too since Gmac was hired.....
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I agree with you when say you can't use past numbers to predict the future, but it seems like people think that is ok when it matches their view point. I am not using past "numbers". I am just sharing what I think about the current situation. It differs from yours, and that is okay.
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I never said he could have gotten better recruits, BUT HE COULD HAVE TRIED HARDER TO KEEP THE GUYS WE HAD, on campus and coming in. I never said anything about our recruits in particular, it is a fact however that spring recruits have a higher fail rate than that of fall ones, just the way it works. If they were ready to go, they would be going somewhere already, simple as that
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Trust me those guys wouldn't have stayed with the new coach no matter what.
I never said he could have gotten better recruits, BUT HE COULD HAVE TRIED HARDER TO KEEP THE GUYS WE HAD, on campus and coming in. I never said anything about our recruits in particular, it is a fact however that spring recruits have a higher fail rate than that of fall ones, just the way it works. If they were ready to go, they would be going somewhere already, simple as that
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Trust me those guys wouldn't have stayed with the new coach no matter what.