Curtis and Will were ponies that would have been great to have back, but they probably would have been gone either way. But Taggart, Carr, Degand and whoever else were by no means ponies. Taggart was the most overrated recruit and player I have ever seen at ISU. I could not stand watching him play, or try to play, and was very excited when he left. At least I know that I am going to watch a team that is well coached and plays defense. I am willing to go through growing pains because I know we now have a coach who could be here for a very long tenure and do very well.
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The problem with your theory redoog is that we are going to be aweful next year. I addittion, it seems as if we are trying to give away all of our 2007 schollies to jucos this year. What that is going to leave us with after the misarable 2006, will be a 2007 where we can only bring in one or 2 recruits (and it you have seen who we are looking at, they will definately not be game changers), but will have 6 or 7 seniors, including clark. Why in the world, after two bad seasons, even if we do better than expected and make it above .500, that won't help recruit the big boys. We will have a completely empty roster, and need to reload again. The question is with what? If the guys he's in on are any indication, it is an aweful lot of unranked midwestern kids, which I guess should make a lot of you happy. Hoosiers happened once, why can't we pull the same thing off.
As someone else said, we do in fact have john wooden as coach now, so anything is possible.
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As much as I worry about losing a bunch of guys in two years... the more I think of it... the BIG time players... those 5 stars... they're going to want playing time... they want to come right in and be a contributer... we can promise that in two years!
The problem with your theory redoog is that we are going to be aweful next year. I addittion, it seems as if we are trying to give away all of our 2007 schollies to jucos this year. What that is going to leave us with after the misarable 2006, will be a 2007 where we can only bring in one or 2 recruits (and it you have seen who we are looking at, they will definately not be game changers), but will have 6 or 7 seniors, including clark. Why in the world, after two bad seasons, even if we do better than expected and make it above .500, that won't help recruit the big boys. We will have a completely empty roster, and need to reload again. The question is with what? If the guys he's in on are any indication, it is an aweful lot of unranked midwestern kids, which I guess should make a lot of you happy. Hoosiers happened once, why can't we pull the same thing off.
As someone else said, we do in fact have john wooden as coach now, so anything is possible.
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As much as I worry about losing a bunch of guys in two years... the more I think of it... the BIG time players... those 5 stars... they're going to want playing time... they want to come right in and be a contributer... we can promise that in two years!
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Let me respond to some of your crazy, baseless, and in some cases completely innacurate rantings.
-What proof do you have that he didn't run them off. Tagggs and WB botrh said that he was the reason they are gone period.-
Total BS here. Blalock has never once said anything like that. Wayne even said Blalock came to him before the season and said he was sick of schol and probably not coming back.
--WB said in the paper he would have been far more likely to stay if WM was still the coach, said it after he hired the agent. Likely wouldn't have hired an agent, came back if undrafted or in second round. Sealed the deal for CS.
-Westbrook is sooo oover rated, he is still in the top 150, and you have NEVER seen him play, but god knows cmac is 10000000000000x's better cause you say so.-
Westbrook's prep school coach even said he belonged at a mid-major program.
---uhh, and cmac? my fav of the new recruits, but kind of the same thing but without the potential (cause he is a juco) and absolute scoring ability. But you all think he is tinsley mixed with jake mixed with blalock
- We will not win in the 12 with a bunch of last second recruits, unranked players, and guys with interest from drexel and uni, we won't even compete. -
Your thinking of Stinson here who had an offer from Drexel and Northeastern before we offered. He turned out to be a pretty good player.
------yes he was also a top 150 player and later had string interest from severl other high profile teams. Im looking at several recruits for next year,the best offer besideds us, I have seen is dayton. WOOOHHOOO
-At least I won't be too crushed when a few don't make it to campus, i never thought we'd be good next year anyways.-
So you think we would've been good next year with Wayne... Imagine the same team as last year without Stinson or Blalock. Scary.
==Imagine giving the bigs a year to get better and work on the zone like it took homan and staple in order to understand it. Yeah that sucked, we play in the 12 and had a better D than the great mcd has ever had at UNI (look it up)
I don't understand how you enjoy ISU Sports when all you do is rant and rave about a coach who hasn't even coached a game yet here.
-- I sure as hell don't rave about him. I love ISU sports, when Orr is coaching bball and we are scoring 100 a game, not when we bring in, although the greatest coach of all time (has anyone seen him coach to give him that credit) and slow it down to the low 60's on a great night,
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Let me respond to some of your crazy, baseless, and in some cases completely innacurate rantings.
-What proof do you have that he didn't run them off. Tagggs and WB botrh said that he was the reason they are gone period.-
Total BS here. Blalock has never once said anything like that. Wayne even said Blalock came to him before the season and said he was sick of schol and probably not coming back.
--WB said in the paper he would have been far more likely to stay if WM was still the coach, said it after he hired the agent. Likely wouldn't have hired an agent, came back if undrafted or in second round. Sealed the deal for CS.
-Westbrook is sooo oover rated, he is still in the top 150, and you have NEVER seen him play, but god knows cmac is 10000000000000x's better cause you say so.-
Westbrook's prep school coach even said he belonged at a mid-major program.
---uhh, and cmac? my fav of the new recruits, but kind of the same thing but without the potential (cause he is a juco) and absolute scoring ability. But you all think he is tinsley mixed with jake mixed with blalock
- We will not win in the 12 with a bunch of last second recruits, unranked players, and guys with interest from drexel and uni, we won't even compete. -
Your thinking of Stinson here who had an offer from Drexel and Northeastern before we offered. He turned out to be a pretty good player.
------yes he was also a top 150 player and later had string interest from severl other high profile teams. Im looking at several recruits for next year,the best offer besideds us, I have seen is dayton. WOOOHHOOO
-At least I won't be too crushed when a few don't make it to campus, i never thought we'd be good next year anyways.-
So you think we would've been good next year with Wayne... Imagine the same team as last year without Stinson or Blalock. Scary.
==Imagine giving the bigs a year to get better and work on the zone like it took homan and staple in order to understand it. Yeah that sucked, we play in the 12 and had a better D than the great mcd has ever had at UNI (look it up)
I don't understand how you enjoy ISU Sports when all you do is rant and rave about a coach who hasn't even coached a game yet here.
-- I sure as hell don't rave about him. I love ISU sports, when Orr is coaching bball and we are scoring 100 a game, not when we bring in, although the greatest coach of all time (has anyone seen him coach to give him that credit) and slow it down to the low 60's on a great night,
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boy discombobulated, it must be a dark, lonely place wherever you are. A life of dispair such as your's must be horrible....
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So dark, so cold, wow, thanks for adding to the discussion.
boy discombobulated, it must be a dark, lonely place wherever you are. A life of dispair such as your's must be horrible....
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So dark, so cold, wow, thanks for adding to the discussion.
Discombobed I hope if you have kids that you don't treat them with the same negativity. Otherwise, I can hear it now> "My 6 yr old son is going to suck at driving a car someday. All he has done in his short driving career is drive tricycles, big wheels, and the occasional 14" bike with training wheels. He is only used to a handlebar and cranking the wheel over with his legs. He will never grasp the steering wheel, gear shifter, clutch, accelerator and brake by themselves, let alone using them in conjunction to safe road travel..........." :
I know that sounds silly, but it is basically the same analagy to Gmac's potential to coaching in the big 12 that you are trying to show.
I know that sounds silly, but it is basically the same analagy to Gmac's potential to coaching in the big 12 that you are trying to show.
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So dark, so cold, wow, thanks for adding to the discussion.
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OK discombob, let's just say a MIRACLE strikes Ames and we have a decent year, 18-20 wins, maybe sneak into the tourney or at least the NIT. What are you going to say then? Are you going to be on here telling us about all the negative stuff and how we should've won 22-25 games?? You just don't seem like the kind of person that is ready to eat their words. You'd think since you're a Cyclone fan you'd at least CONSIDER holding out for a bit of hope, but it's nice to know you've given up 6 months before the season has started. I sure hope the players know you're "supporting" them...
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boy discombobulated, it must be a dark, lonely place wherever you are. A life of dispair such as your's must be horrible....
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So dark, so cold, wow, thanks for adding to the discussion.
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OK discombob, let's just say a MIRACLE strikes Ames and we have a decent year, 18-20 wins, maybe sneak into the tourney or at least the NIT. What are you going to say then? Are you going to be on here telling us about all the negative stuff and how we should've won 22-25 games?? You just don't seem like the kind of person that is ready to eat their words. You'd think since you're a Cyclone fan you'd at least CONSIDER holding out for a bit of hope, but it's nice to know you've given up 6 months before the season has started. I sure hope the players know you're "supporting" them...
OK discombob, let's just say a MIRACLE strikes Ames and we have a decent year, 18-20 wins, maybe sneak into the tourney or at least the NIT. What are you going to say then? Are you going to be on here telling us about all the negative stuff and how we should've won 22-25 games?? You just don't seem like the kind of person that is ready to eat their words. You'd think since you're a Cyclone fan you'd at least CONSIDER holding out for a bit of hope, but it's nice to know you've given up 6 months before the season has started. I sure hope the players know you're "supporting" them...
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I would be thrilled to say the least. I would also know that a season like getting late into the NIT or into the NCAA would be as I said all along a validation of the move. All I have ever been trying to say is I don't understand why WM got 3 years, and why does mcd get 5+ to accomplish the same things. If he can get late in the nit this year, and past the first round in the NCAA the next, We had an exciting style of play and recruits coming in who exite me, I would defend Mcd even if the next year he went 16-14 and missed post season play due to having to reload (which he will). If we miss any post season play this year, show a bit of improvement the next, but only make the NIT, then have a bad year due to reloading, I see no reason to keep him around. Its the same for football, I see us winning only 6 maybe 7 games. If we win 8 or 9, i will be thrilled, even if we blow a few games late like last year, and still can't win the north.
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I would be thrilled to say the least. I would also know that a season like getting late into the NIT or into the NCAA would be as I said all along a validation of the move. All I have ever been trying to say is I don't understand why WM got 3 years, and why does mcd get 5+ to accomplish the same things. If he can get late in the nit this year, and past the first round in the NCAA the next, We had an exciting style of play and recruits coming in who exite me, I would defend Mcd even if the next year he went 16-14 and missed post season play due to having to reload (which he will). If we miss any post season play this year, show a bit of improvement the next, but only make the NIT, then have a bad year due to reloading, I see no reason to keep him around. Its the same for football, I see us winning only 6 maybe 7 games. If we win 8 or 9, i will be thrilled, even if we blow a few games late like last year, and still can't win the north.
Sometimes you have to take a half step backwards to take the next step forward to the next level. It was obvious this past season that the the team was going nowhere with Morgan. At least now there is enthusiasm, optimism and hope (except for one or two pessimists in the bunch). While it is probably true that the team will take a few lumps next year, the long-term prospects for the program are outstanding!!! You will always have that small percentage of people who immerse themselves in negativity and chronically complain about everything.
Ok discomb seems you are most upset about the unequal time WM got versus what McD is percieved to possibly get. Lets say after 3 years of McD we go to the NIT and do well, make the tourney once as a 9 seed, then the third year grossly underachieve with a talented semi-young squad, McD lets a big oaf from nebr look like shaq, practices are a sham, certain players do what they want, player development seems to grind to a hald, fan support takes a dive, and a "scandal" comes up that doesn't put ISU in a favorable light. I would agree with you that McD would need to go. That is not the kind of program you want to be the flagship for your athletic department.
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melkor................you want us to come up with facts to counter Discombob's negative posts? Are you not taking into account that Discombob's total pessimistic down and out opinions on how Gmac is going to drive this basketball program into the ground without having one tiny piece of fact as to base it on??? Also, he talks as if Gmac is our 3rd rate choice after throwing out a totally successful program that was destined to be final four team next year. We all have been saying we need to let this next season pan out before we start making the accusations that the Discombob's on this site have been dishing out.
Most of us are not happy how last season went and are eager to see positives come about as a result of Pollard's changes. A lot of the costant negativity by a few of the posters is getting old. We value opinions, but are we going to hear the same old *****'s constantly until the next basketball season begins. I sure as heck hope not...................
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I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
melkor................you want us to come up with facts to counter Discombob's negative posts? Are you not taking into account that Discombob's total pessimistic down and out opinions on how Gmac is going to drive this basketball program into the ground without having one tiny piece of fact as to base it on??? Also, he talks as if Gmac is our 3rd rate choice after throwing out a totally successful program that was destined to be final four team next year. We all have been saying we need to let this next season pan out before we start making the accusations that the Discombob's on this site have been dishing out.
Most of us are not happy how last season went and are eager to see positives come about as a result of Pollard's changes. A lot of the costant negativity by a few of the posters is getting old. We value opinions, but are we going to hear the same old *****'s constantly until the next basketball season begins. I sure as heck hope not...................
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I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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melkor................you want us to come up with facts to counter Discombob's negative posts? Are you not taking into account that Discombob's total pessimistic down and out opinions on how Gmac is going to drive this basketball program into the ground without having one tiny piece of fact as to base it on??? Also, he talks as if Gmac is our 3rd rate choice after throwing out a totally successful program that was destined to be final four team next year. We all have been saying we need to let this next season pan out before we start making the accusations that the Discombob's on this site have been dishing out.
Most of us are not happy how last season went and are eager to see positives come about as a result of Pollard's changes. A lot of the costant negativity by a few of the posters is getting old. We value opinions, but are we going to hear the same old *****'s constantly until the next basketball season begins. I sure as heck hope not...................
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I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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This is very true. Although I disagree with discomb., and think we will have a decent season and even better future, he bring up many good points to why we may not.....
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melkor................you want us to come up with facts to counter Discombob's negative posts? Are you not taking into account that Discombob's total pessimistic down and out opinions on how Gmac is going to drive this basketball program into the ground without having one tiny piece of fact as to base it on??? Also, he talks as if Gmac is our 3rd rate choice after throwing out a totally successful program that was destined to be final four team next year. We all have been saying we need to let this next season pan out before we start making the accusations that the Discombob's on this site have been dishing out.
Most of us are not happy how last season went and are eager to see positives come about as a result of Pollard's changes. A lot of the costant negativity by a few of the posters is getting old. We value opinions, but are we going to hear the same old *****'s constantly until the next basketball season begins. I sure as heck hope not...................
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I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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This is very true. Although I disagree with discomb., and think we will have a decent season and even better future, he bring up many good points to why we may not.....
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Dis...I don't have anything to prove, your the one that is making the comments. I am just asking that you either substantiate them or live up to them. I don't have an issue you with you choosing not to be patient. I have a big issue with you making statements that are blatantly untrue -Will B. comment above or unsubstantiated rantings that slander our coaches or players - see your run them off comment.
Your when did you stop beating your wife arguments are getting rather stale.
What proof do you have that he didn't run them off. Tagggs and WB botrh said that he was the reason they are gone period. [/b][/quote]
Dis...I don't have anything to prove, your the one that is making the comments. I am just asking that you either substantiate them or live up to them. I don't have an issue you with you choosing not to be patient. I have a big issue with you making statements that are blatantly untrue -Will B. comment above or unsubstantiated rantings that slander our coaches or players - see your run them off comment.
Your when did you stop beating your wife arguments are getting rather stale.
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I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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Melkor - I agree with you that he has reasons for his view and his reasons may be as valid as the next guys. My problem is when he or anyone makes stuff up to justify their opinion...I don't care if he disagrees or is negative, it makes for a more enjoyable debate. What drives me nuts is when people come on a make statements like "he ran them off" with no support for their statemtments and use it to impune someones good name.
I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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Melkor - I agree with you that he has reasons for his view and his reasons may be as valid as the next guys. My problem is when he or anyone makes stuff up to justify their opinion...I don't care if he disagrees or is negative, it makes for a more enjoyable debate. What drives me nuts is when people come on a make statements like "he ran them off" with no support for their statemtments and use it to impune someones good name.
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Dis...I don't have anything to prove, your the one that is making the comments. I am just asking that you either substantiate them or live up to them. I don't have an issue you with you choosing not to be patient. I have a big issue with you making statements that are blatantly untrue -Will B. comment above or unsubstantiated rantings that slander our coaches or players - see your run them off comment.
Your when did you stop beating your wife arguments are getting rather stale.
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A) i haven't slandered anyone.
b) Will B. said in the paper that he would have been far more likely to come back if WM was still the coach. He said it in the paper. Taggs was run off. You don't think that balling a guy out first day of practice and saying we aren't going to swear would be conditioned with a "if you want to be on this team you would swear" type demand. If he is going to be that strict, I wouldn't play for him either. Carr was gone, not his fault, he had a shot to get him back, but he was already checked out. Farnold was his to keep. Haven't seen him say anything, so just going off what I heard from a good source on this one. Westbrook still wanted to come. He and his father said as much. Mcd pulled his scholly, so unless he was planning on walking on, i would say that is running him off. Pallen sounds like he wasn't going to make grades regardless, so not his fault. There is it still unsubstantiated, or do you need more. I have yet to see any concrete evidence that he did not run them off, yet here is all of this public info that he did.I have explained this all before on numerous occasions, and still have yet to attack players. Are we getting a bucnh of late signees that historically have problems? yes. Did I ever say these guys will have those problems name by name? no. Did I say that two of the guys we are still supposedly looking at have all of the charactor flaws that many here accuse degand and taggs of having? yes, proof see 5 schools in 3 years and beat up a teamate.
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Dis...I don't have anything to prove, your the one that is making the comments. I am just asking that you either substantiate them or live up to them. I don't have an issue you with you choosing not to be patient. I have a big issue with you making statements that are blatantly untrue -Will B. comment above or unsubstantiated rantings that slander our coaches or players - see your run them off comment.
Your when did you stop beating your wife arguments are getting rather stale.
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A) i haven't slandered anyone.
b) Will B. said in the paper that he would have been far more likely to come back if WM was still the coach. He said it in the paper. Taggs was run off. You don't think that balling a guy out first day of practice and saying we aren't going to swear would be conditioned with a "if you want to be on this team you would swear" type demand. If he is going to be that strict, I wouldn't play for him either. Carr was gone, not his fault, he had a shot to get him back, but he was already checked out. Farnold was his to keep. Haven't seen him say anything, so just going off what I heard from a good source on this one. Westbrook still wanted to come. He and his father said as much. Mcd pulled his scholly, so unless he was planning on walking on, i would say that is running him off. Pallen sounds like he wasn't going to make grades regardless, so not his fault. There is it still unsubstantiated, or do you need more. I have yet to see any concrete evidence that he did not run them off, yet here is all of this public info that he did.I have explained this all before on numerous occasions, and still have yet to attack players. Are we getting a bucnh of late signees that historically have problems? yes. Did I ever say these guys will have those problems name by name? no. Did I say that two of the guys we are still supposedly looking at have all of the charactor flaws that many here accuse degand and taggs of having? yes, proof see 5 schools in 3 years and beat up a teamate.
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melkor................you want us to come up with facts to counter Discombob's negative posts? Are you not taking into account that Discombob's total pessimistic down and out opinions on how Gmac is going to drive this basketball program into the ground without having one tiny piece of fact as to base it on??? Also, he talks as if Gmac is our 3rd rate choice after throwing out a totally successful program that was destined to be final four team next year. We all have been saying we need to let this next season pan out before we start making the accusations that the Discombob's on this site have been dishing out.
Most of us are not happy how last season went and are eager to see positives come about as a result of Pollard's changes. A lot of the costant negativity by a few of the posters is getting old. We value opinions, but are we going to hear the same old *****'s constantly until the next basketball season begins. I sure as heck hope not...................
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Well I personally agree with dis that we will have a pretty tough year next year. I disagree with him in that I think our team will be better off long-term with the coaching change. Besides that, I don't see the point in being pissed off and giving up before we've even started. Plus I guess if I was so enraged about b-ball I'd take a step back instead of constantly posting negative posts in MAY!! That certainly does nothing to help the team, and it hurts recruiting as recruits do read these boards at times.
I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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This is very true. Although I disagree with discomb., and think we will have a decent season and even better future, he bring up many good points to why we may not.....
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melkor................you want us to come up with facts to counter Discombob's negative posts? Are you not taking into account that Discombob's total pessimistic down and out opinions on how Gmac is going to drive this basketball program into the ground without having one tiny piece of fact as to base it on??? Also, he talks as if Gmac is our 3rd rate choice after throwing out a totally successful program that was destined to be final four team next year. We all have been saying we need to let this next season pan out before we start making the accusations that the Discombob's on this site have been dishing out.
Most of us are not happy how last season went and are eager to see positives come about as a result of Pollard's changes. A lot of the costant negativity by a few of the posters is getting old. We value opinions, but are we going to hear the same old *****'s constantly until the next basketball season begins. I sure as heck hope not...................
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Well I personally agree with dis that we will have a pretty tough year next year. I disagree with him in that I think our team will be better off long-term with the coaching change. Besides that, I don't see the point in being pissed off and giving up before we've even started. Plus I guess if I was so enraged about b-ball I'd take a step back instead of constantly posting negative posts in MAY!! That certainly does nothing to help the team, and it hurts recruiting as recruits do read these boards at times.
I find that discombobulated has just as good a reason to be pessimistic as anyone has to be optomistic. You are basing your optomism on what you think is going to happen. Discombobulated is basing his pessimism on what he thinks is going to happen. What makes you so special that your opinion is more valid than his?
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This is very true. Although I disagree with discomb., and think we will have a decent season and even better future, he bring up many good points to why we may not.....
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Dis...I don't have anything to prove, your the one that is making the comments. I am just asking that you either substantiate them or live up to them. I don't have an issue you with you choosing not to be patient. I have a big issue with you making statements that are blatantly untrue -Will B. comment above or unsubstantiated rantings that slander our coaches or players - see your run them off comment.
Your when did you stop beating your wife arguments are getting rather stale.
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A) i haven't slandered anyone.
b) Will B. said in the paper that he would have been far more likely to come back if WM was still the coach. He said it in the paper. Taggs was run off. You don't think that balling a guy out first day of practice and saying we aren't going to swear would be conditioned with a "if you want to be on this team you would swear" type demand. If he is going to be that strict, I wouldn't play for him either. Carr was gone, not his fault, he had a shot to get him back, but he was already checked out. Farnold was his to keep. Haven't seen him say anything, so just going off what I heard from a good source on this one. Westbrook still wanted to come. He and his father said as much. Mcd pulled his scholly, so unless he was planning on walking on, i would say that is running him off. Pallen sounds like he wasn't going to make grades regardless, so not his fault. There is it still unsubstantiated, or do you need more. I have yet to see any concrete evidence that he did not run them off, yet here is all of this public info that he did.I have explained this all before on numerous occasions, and still have yet to attack players. Are we getting a bucnh of late signees that historically have problems? yes. Did I ever say these guys will have those problems name by name? no. Did I say that two of the guys we are still supposedly looking at have all of the charactor flaws that many here accuse degand and taggs of having? yes, proof see 5 schools in 3 years and beat up a teamate.
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Wow, you have NO idea that GMAC said "Swear and you're off the team." That's just ridiculous. The quote from Taggart was something along the lines of "I said a swear word and he said we don't do that here, so I said I had to get out of there." - GET IT - HIS DECISION - TAGGART didn't like the no swear rule so he wanted out. If you leave a school because you can't swear, well, I want nothing to do with you. Roy Williams doesn't allow swearing of any kind at his practices. I think he's doing alright, don't ya think??
Also, I STILL don't swear in front of my parents, grandparents, etc. and never did in front of coaches. It's called showing a little respect. It really ain't hard if you work on it.
Also, bottom line, Will declared before Wayne was fired. Bottom Fricken Line.
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Dis...I don't have anything to prove, your the one that is making the comments. I am just asking that you either substantiate them or live up to them. I don't have an issue you with you choosing not to be patient. I have a big issue with you making statements that are blatantly untrue -Will B. comment above or unsubstantiated rantings that slander our coaches or players - see your run them off comment.
Your when did you stop beating your wife arguments are getting rather stale.
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A) i haven't slandered anyone.
b) Will B. said in the paper that he would have been far more likely to come back if WM was still the coach. He said it in the paper. Taggs was run off. You don't think that balling a guy out first day of practice and saying we aren't going to swear would be conditioned with a "if you want to be on this team you would swear" type demand. If he is going to be that strict, I wouldn't play for him either. Carr was gone, not his fault, he had a shot to get him back, but he was already checked out. Farnold was his to keep. Haven't seen him say anything, so just going off what I heard from a good source on this one. Westbrook still wanted to come. He and his father said as much. Mcd pulled his scholly, so unless he was planning on walking on, i would say that is running him off. Pallen sounds like he wasn't going to make grades regardless, so not his fault. There is it still unsubstantiated, or do you need more. I have yet to see any concrete evidence that he did not run them off, yet here is all of this public info that he did.I have explained this all before on numerous occasions, and still have yet to attack players. Are we getting a bucnh of late signees that historically have problems? yes. Did I ever say these guys will have those problems name by name? no. Did I say that two of the guys we are still supposedly looking at have all of the charactor flaws that many here accuse degand and taggs of having? yes, proof see 5 schools in 3 years and beat up a teamate.
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Wow, you have NO idea that GMAC said "Swear and you're off the team." That's just ridiculous. The quote from Taggart was something along the lines of "I said a swear word and he said we don't do that here, so I said I had to get out of there." - GET IT - HIS DECISION - TAGGART didn't like the no swear rule so he wanted out. If you leave a school because you can't swear, well, I want nothing to do with you. Roy Williams doesn't allow swearing of any kind at his practices. I think he's doing alright, don't ya think??
Also, I STILL don't swear in front of my parents, grandparents, etc. and never did in front of coaches. It's called showing a little respect. It really ain't hard if you work on it.
Also, bottom line, Will declared before Wayne was fired. Bottom Fricken Line.
Disc. Running off is defined by most as intentionally moving guys on to new schools. Sometimes by pulling their schollies, sometimes by suggestions, but usually by heart to heart discussions that it isn't working out here and it may be in your best interest to move on. Neither Tags nor Wills situation fits.
When you say that you won't be patient b/c a coach runs off the kids that have talent (ponies I think you called them) and replaces them with kids that can't play (5 11 midwest kids was the term you used) you are indeed slandering them - particularly when you attribute an action to them "running them off" that they did not do. Slander is defined as "A false and malicious statement or report about someone."
By your definition if a player quits because the conditioning is to hard the coach ran him off. Damn, better fire that coach.
When you say that you won't be patient b/c a coach runs off the kids that have talent (ponies I think you called them) and replaces them with kids that can't play (5 11 midwest kids was the term you used) you are indeed slandering them - particularly when you attribute an action to them "running them off" that they did not do. Slander is defined as "A false and malicious statement or report about someone."
By your definition if a player quits because the conditioning is to hard the coach ran him off. Damn, better fire that coach.
Everyone needs a lesson so here it goes
Slander n. A defamatory statement expressed in a transitory form, esp. speech. What you people are thinking about is more of a libel thing, either way you would have to prove gross negligence or an intent to harm. This is all moot when it comes to McD however cause he is a public figure. Basically unless I were to claim I had proof that he cheated on his wife with an alien, and the reasonable person could belive what I said was true, and he lost endorcements, or his job because of it, and he could prove it was not true, and I knew for a fact that it wasn't true, and I was a paid journalist, then maybe you would be on to something.
the 5'11 kid is a guy for next year who we have offered, he is from the midwest, he is not ranked on any list nor does he have any offers from a major univ except us. . All of the other guys are jucos, mostly from the midwest.All were signed in the spring period where the attrition rate is high.
Swearing. this is a 20 something year old. I know I would never play for a coach that was a strict as that, and taggs probably felt the same way. The fact that he was balled out day one would be a sign to him/others that would not feel comfortable being there.
Roy williams, don't even dream of compairing the two in any aspect of anything. I am sure the BYU coach also doesn't allow it, but that is ridiculious. Floyd, LE, Morgan, and most of all orr swore, as does most of the population excpecially in stressful situations, situations such as playing sports.
Who reported these kids didn't want to work hard? that is in fact a more damaging statement than any I have made, so maybe all of you with your lazy, no work ethic comments should watch yourselves.
Do not try and pull a quote on me unless you are sure what it means
Slander n. A defamatory statement expressed in a transitory form, esp. speech. What you people are thinking about is more of a libel thing, either way you would have to prove gross negligence or an intent to harm. This is all moot when it comes to McD however cause he is a public figure. Basically unless I were to claim I had proof that he cheated on his wife with an alien, and the reasonable person could belive what I said was true, and he lost endorcements, or his job because of it, and he could prove it was not true, and I knew for a fact that it wasn't true, and I was a paid journalist, then maybe you would be on to something.
the 5'11 kid is a guy for next year who we have offered, he is from the midwest, he is not ranked on any list nor does he have any offers from a major univ except us. . All of the other guys are jucos, mostly from the midwest.All were signed in the spring period where the attrition rate is high.
Swearing. this is a 20 something year old. I know I would never play for a coach that was a strict as that, and taggs probably felt the same way. The fact that he was balled out day one would be a sign to him/others that would not feel comfortable being there.
Roy williams, don't even dream of compairing the two in any aspect of anything. I am sure the BYU coach also doesn't allow it, but that is ridiculious. Floyd, LE, Morgan, and most of all orr swore, as does most of the population excpecially in stressful situations, situations such as playing sports.
Who reported these kids didn't want to work hard? that is in fact a more damaging statement than any I have made, so maybe all of you with your lazy, no work ethic comments should watch yourselves.
Do not try and pull a quote on me unless you are sure what it means