Baylor 2009

Not supporting Nebraska but why do you think Baylor will beat Nebraska by two touchdowns? Does Nebraska lose a lot of talent or something?
 
So your guessing an average ppg of 36.9 and opponent scoring to be at 26.2 ppg.

Last year, you guys averaged 28 ppg scoring and 29.3 ppg for the opponents.

I can see dropping the ppg of the defense 3 ppg, but to increase your ppg by 8 points seems to be quite a bit. Maybe I'm wrong but that's a large increase in ppg
 
Not supporting Nebraska but why do you think Baylor will beat Nebraska by two touchdowns? Does Nebraska lose a lot of talent or something?

Unfortunately, the original poster just threw this flaming bag of pooh out there and ran away. He hasn't provided any justification for any of his claims yet, so you probably wont get an answer.
 
For the Baylor game, you guys lose a huge part of your defense at both LB and at S; losing something like 5 of the top 6 tacklers from 2008 including the top 3 safeties and losing Pawlek and Freeman will hurt you pretty bad in pass rushing. My guess is that ISU wins in a really high scoring shootout. Something like 48-42.


I'm going try not to get too involved in this thread as my expectations are a little more tempered than the OP's.

but I'll respond to this, since there are some fallacies.

we return 8 starters on defense and 8 on offense.

Pawelek (LB) and Lake (S) led the team in tackles, are both back, and will anchor the defense. The Rhodes (DE) and Freeman (DT) losses will hurt, but PSU transfer Phil Taylor will be a huge boost to the D-line, best player we've had there in a decade. Crawford (CB) is the other starter we lose, as well as two backup safeties and linebackers who played often. we will be young and relatively untested in the secondary outside of starting safeties Lake and Williams.

We lose both tackles (Smith and Gay) and a WR (White) on offense. We have plenty of receivers, but the tackle position will not be as strong and will need some young (but highly touted) players to step up.


basically everyone else, including specialists are back. overall we will be better, if not much better, than last year if the oline even marginally comes together.
 
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I'm going try not to get too involved in this thread as my expectations are a little more tempered than the OP's.

but I'll respond to this, since there are some fallacies.

we return 8 starters on defense and 8 on offense.

Pawelek (LB) and Lake (S) led the team in tackles, are both back, and will anchor the defense. The Rhodes (DE) and Freeman (DT) losses will hurt, but PSU transfer Phil Taylor will be a huge boost to the D-line, best player we've had there in a decade. Crawford (CB) is the other starter we lose, as well as two backup safeties and linebackers who played often. we will be young and relatively untested in the secondary outside of starting safeties Lake and Williams.

We lose both tackles (Smith and Gay) and a WR (White) on offense. We have plenty of receivers, but the tackle position will not be as strong and will need some young (but highly touted) players to step up.


basically everyone else, including specialists are back. overall we will be better, if not much better, than last year if the oline even marginally comes together.

Thanks for actually backing yourself up with some evidence. It is much appreciated.
Baylor has improved gretly in recruiting recently, and it is paying off. Hopefully, ISU can throw a few wrinkles at Baylor and exploit home field advantage to win the game.
I deffinitely don't think either team will win by 25 though.
 
I pray that CPR has those guys ready to murder by the start of every game. I think we could definitely take these guys at the Jack, [/quote

As long as our guys arn't former Baylor basketball players, then we might get away with it. Sorry, had to say it.


I was out fishing all morning for someone to make that comment. Landed the big one. Trust me, if you had to live in Waco, you'd want to murder somebody too...

CloneIce:"Baylor is awesome.... they even legalized dancing a few years back! What an awesome place. :jimlad:

One can't help but be impressed by a "religious university" that cheats in sports. "

You need about 5 more sarcasm pirates...
 
As I recall Baylor and Nebraska were the two games after Bates left, during which the staff had said they were trying to "protect" Arnaud or something. We scored 10 against Baylor and 7 against Nebraska. We averaged 26.5 against the rest of the Big XII. I think its fair to say that last years Baylor game was not indicative of our offense.

That said, I'd also give Baylor the edge right now in a close game.

Yeah, Arnaud was hurt in those games and you could tell by our offensive results. Those are games that Bates would have started had he stayed. The offense moved the ball against everyone else but those two teams and AA being hurt is the primary reason. I think that the game against Baylor will definitely be a shootout, but ISU should be able to win it. A 25 point win by Baylor is wishful thinking on their part.
 
I love Briles, but I think he's still a few seasons away from really doing something. I just can't see this team (although I think your quarterback will end up being a very good qb) beating Texas Tech and UConn.
 
I love Briles, but I think he's still a few seasons away from really doing something. I just can't see this team (although I think your quarterback will end up being a very good qb) beating Texas Tech and UConn.

ok one more, we were a play away from beating uconn at uconn last year. They won't have their all-everything running back and will have to play in the heat in Texas.

We should beat uconn fairly easily, of course so should just about every other big12 team.
 
We lose both tackles (Smith and Gay) and a WR (White) on offense. We have plenty of receivers, but the tackle position will not be as strong and will need some young (but highly touted) players to step up.

No kidding about the tackle position not being as strong. Jason Smith will be one of the biggest graduation losses in the nation. I don't care how highly ranked the potential replacements are, it will be a long time before Baylor has a tackle as dominant as Smith.
 
I love Briles, but I think he's still a few seasons away from really doing something. I just can't see this team (although I think your quarterback will end up being a very good qb) beating Texas Tech and UConn.


We lost @UConn last year in RG3's 3rd start of his D1 life (he didn't start the Wake Forest Game) and it was also his first away game. That being said, UConn beat us by 3 points and we had a chance to win in the 4th when our final drive gathered a couple first downs before stalling. As stated above, UConn loses their top offensive weapons next year and has to come to Waco, I doubt we lose this one.

Many seem to forget this, but we lost to Tech by just 1 TD last year. Baylor held a 14 point lead going into the 4th quarter @ Tech! We also gave up 21 points that quarter, but two TDs were directly related to a receiver's bobble catch leading to a Tech interception, and a very questionable pass interference call. Next year we get Tech @ home, and while they obviously reload every year, there's no way I see their offensive firepower being as strong as it was last year.

I'll respond to other posts later, but I am a student in the middle of mid-terms and time is lacking.
 
No kidding about the tackle position not being as strong. Jason Smith will be one of the biggest graduation losses in the nation. I don't care how highly ranked the potential replacements are, it will be a long time before Baylor has a tackle as dominant as Smith.


All true about Smith-- but we do have Griesenbeck who played a lot last year to fill in one of the tackle positions which should not provide a huge drop off. Also we had the #10 offensive line class in the nation this year. We signed 2 4*s and a number of 3*s to the OLine. Two JUCO transfers who will hopefully be ready to step in from day one. Overall talent on the line will be down this year, but I think our 5 will still place among the top in the south and we should be deeper this year. Also worth nothing that both guards and our center will be back.
 
ok one more, we were a play away from beating uconn at uconn last year. They won't have their all-everything running back and will have to play in the heat in Texas.

We should beat uconn fairly easily, of course so should just about every other big12 team.

A couple things here. First off, I should have been clear. I meant I can't see you beating Texas Tech AND UConn, as in both teams.

Second, I don't think playing in "the heat of Texas" will be that big of a deal. Personally, I'd rather play in the "heat of Texas" than the hot, sticky humid, bug infested, can-barely-breath crap in Iowa. I don't know if I'd consider that a huge advantage.

Third, I HATE the phrase "we were one play away". Twice this decade we were one play away from playing in the Big XII championship. In 2004 we were "one play away" from only losing one or two games. Last season we were one play away from beating Kansas and UNLV. Does that change things? No. Does that make me feel like we can handily beat them next year? No.
 
Yeah as ISU fans we have been down the "coulda woulda shoulda" path many times. It's pretty meaningless.

It's hard to downplay big losses on the offensive and defensive lines. They always seem to affect you more than they should. Maybe you'll get lucky and one of your jucos will pan out into a starting-caliber lineman, but history would bet against it.
 
ok one more, we were a play away from beating uconn at uconn last year. They won't have their all-everything running back and will have to play in the heat in Texas.

We should beat uconn fairly easily, of course so should just about every other big12 team.

I watched that game with UConn. You weren't a play away from winning. I actually thought they did a good job on Griffin went it counted. They'll lose a lot with Brown being out, but it's far from an automatic win. They aren't going to be intimidated by F-C either, by any means. Obviously Baylor has a good shot, but I wouldn't call it a gimmee.
 
Not supporting Nebraska but why do you think Baylor will beat Nebraska by two touchdowns? Does Nebraska lose a lot of talent or something?


Personally, I just felt that Nebraska was overhyped last year, and definitely overhyped coming into this season. We led them by a TD after the first half in Lincoln last year. Our 2nd half turned into an abysmall failure and we lost by 10, but I see us as a much better team next year while there is reason to think they will not be as strong with the QB loss and overall less starters coming back than we have. Additionally we get them at home this year in a game that will likely be our homecoming.

I admit my prediction of the win over Nebraska is seen through a green and gold lens, but I have a lot of confidence in my team next year, much more than I ever have before. This is my first time in 5 years of really following the bears and being a student that I think we'll make a bowl. It is hard to describe to the outside, but the attitude around here really is different, and the different mindsets of my fraternity brothers and other friends on the football team is night and day.

Additionally our brand new $35 million on campus practice facility is incredible and has the team feeling equal to the rest of the Big12 for the first time. $12 million more in construction is going on right now to add the full indoor field to the practice facility. It could all turn out to be a bunch of sun-shine pumping, but I really believe that BU is close to turning the corner out of irrelevance.
 
Second, I don't think playing in "the heat of Texas" will be that big of a deal. Personally, I'd rather play in the "heat of Texas" than the hot, sticky humid, bug infested, can-barely-breath crap in Iowa. I don't know if I'd consider that a huge advantage.

you really think Iowa is more humid than central texas?

we've got this little thing down the road called the gulf of mexico.
 
I've been to central Texas. I stand by my statement.

Seconded. Texas is dry heat all the way.
You can eat the air in Iowa when it's hot. I think Iowa has some of the most extreme weather in the country. Wet heat in the summer, -20 degree windchill in the winter.
 

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