Basketball Tournament Format

Whatever the format, it needs to be unique and like nothing we have ever seen. NBA level atmosphere in regards to entertainment around the event. So many cool things can come from the B12 marketing and branding our tournaments well. My hope is it creates a huge gap between us and everyone else. Let go global!
 
This may be true but they shouldn't. If you suck you suck and the double bye solution is less practice. Not sure why everything (like bowl games) has become so inclusionary over the years. Not good enough to finish 12th in a 16 team league, stay home.

Just like everything it's just about the money. Not that it's likely anytime soon but they don't want to risk Iowa State, Kstste, or KU (technically possible right....lol) finishing 13tj and those fans staying home.

Well it will happen whether you like it or not.
 
This may be true but they shouldn't. If you suck you suck and the double bye solution is less practice. Not sure why everything (like bowl games) has become so inclusionary over the years. Not good enough to finish 12th in a 16 team league, stay home.

Just like everything it's just about the money. Not that it's likely anytime soon but they don't want to risk Iowa State, Kstste, or KU (technically possible right....lol) finishing 13tj and those fans staying home.

We had 8 of 10 teams vying for a tournament bid last year. With how strong this league will be are you really sure that there won’t be a year where the #13 team is on the bubble?
 
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We had 8 of 10 teams vying for a tournament bid last year. With how strong this league will be are you really sure that there won’t be a year where the #13 team is on the bubble?

Yes. If we couldn't get 9 out of 10 we most certainly won't get 13 out of 16. Literally 0 chance of that ever happening.
 
With 16 teams what’s everyone think of the Big12 basketball tournament? I really don’t like the idea of double byes that other conferences do. What about a 2 day first round?

Day 1
1v16
4v13
3v14
2v15

Day 2
5v12
8v9
7v10
6v13

Gives top 4 an advantage with an extra day rest, but it doesn’t go over the top with a double bye.
I like this, hopefully they dont push for a double bye
 
Yes. If we couldn't get 9 out of 10 we most certainly won't get 13 out of 16. Literally 0 chance of that ever happening.

But there’ll be times where there are 13 teams in the conversation for post season. The league is that good
 
9 v 16
12 v 13
10 v 15
11 v 14

8 v 9/16
5 v 12/13
7 v 10/15
6 v 11/14

1 v 8/9/16
4 v 5/12/13
2 v 7/10/15
3 v 6/11/14

Semi #1
Semi #2

Championship

That's going to be a long week of basketball. If it's 18, you add another 2 game day.
Starting on Tuesday if they want their normal Saturday final
 
Read message on X from an Utah fan that the tournament needs to be moved to Vegas. Not even a full day as a member and wanting to mess with the tournament
If it ever moves out of kc that's a huge problem for me.
 
This may be true but they shouldn't. If you suck you suck and the double bye solution is less practice. Not sure why everything (like bowl games) has become so inclusionary over the years. Not good enough to finish 12th in a 16 team league, stay home.

Just like everything it's just about the money. Not that it's likely anytime soon but they don't want to risk Iowa State, Kstste, or KU (technically possible right....lol) finishing 13tj and those fans staying home.
In basketball, I don't see any reason to not include everyone. The excitement comes from the feeling that anything can happen. Myself, I like the idea of no byes, but the top 4 seeds getting a day off, As to location, KC is about as central as you can get, but I could see there being some support for rotating it between Denver, KC and Dallas. I don't think it makes any sense to go all the way out to Vegas.
 
So you want top schools to be exhausted for the NCAA tournament? Having double byes is because they earned it, avoid being burned out and ruining the chance at a NCAA title.
Who was it that said, "They're young; they don't get tired."?
 
Yes. If we couldn't get 9 out of 10 we most certainly won't get 13 out of 16. Literally 0 chance of that ever happening.
13 out of 16 is 81% which is a lower percentage than 9 out of 10. I could see in a good year where #13 in the conference could be on the bubble.
 
This. If you are in the bottom 4 of a 16 team league you have no business playing in any postseason tourney, let alone one that gives the chance of an auto bid.

It's also the fairest and easiest of the options.

If it’s the big 10 or SEC but big 12 basketball is top to bottom is crazy good.
 
You go to 20 and you don't protect anything. They've made it abundantly clear that travel doesn't matter and you want to give TV what they want plus have the ability to play games with the schedule to maximize bids.


You can't play all league games like in your second scenario because you can't game the NET. The entire purpose of the NET is for power league teams to destroy low majors at home in the non-con in but games and rack up stupid efficiency numbers so that when you get to league play those rankings are bullet proof and you artificially inflate the number of Quad 1 opportunities which then gets the power league more bids. That doesn't work if you're league basically has the same number of losses and wins.

I think you go to 20 and protect no more than 3 home and homes. KU will get K-State and Arizona protected as a home and home every year. We’ll get K-State. (We should get KU but this coming season’s schedule has proven that the league doesn’t agree)

Even with 3 protected home and homes, in a 20 game schedule every school gets at least 2 home and home slots that the league/networks can play with annually. And certain home and homes have to be protected:

BYU-Utah
UA-ASU
Baylor-TCU
KU-KSU

KSU-ISU and WVU-Cincy should also be on the list. Then I expect Kansas-Arizona for the networks. Probably some more I’m missing right now.
 
Now, we must try to be inclusive to all of our new brethern. Even though they don't understand how big of a deal this has been in KC. Also, it may be good to expand our footprint a bit for recruiting. Is there a way to have the bottom four to eight teams play in another city on Monday and Tuesday. The winner(s) from early week games travel on Wednesday to Kansas City and play out the tournament from there.

The conference could take bids from rotating cities to make additional money. Only a team or two would need to travel on to KC, and they get a day off for travel to play the top seed(s). The balance of the conference are seeded accordingly. Plus, the new Big XII is on display all week. Here's how it might work with six teams playing early in the week at an alternate site...
Monday: 13,14,15 and 16 play each other
Tuesday: Winners play 11 and 12 seeds
Wednesday: The two winners travel to KC to meet the one and two seeds on Thursday, and in KC the games are 3vs10, 4vs9, 5vs8, and 6vs7.
The tournament plays out as usual from there.

I can see the men being used as a teaser addition for the womens tournament city, as I do not see KC as being willing or able to host 30 games between the two tournaments.
 

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