Bad to Worse
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Nobody wants to see Gmac fail. Its just pretty damn clear at this point that he has failed so far, and it doesn't appear likely that is going to change going forward.
One of the main things that could have helped Gmac succeed going forward was signing at least a decent spring recruiting class, as we have tons of holes to fill and playing time to sell. So far, we have whiffed on our main targets. This will make it even harder for Gmac to succeed going forward, and increase the likelhood that he leave sthe cupboard bare, as you are worried about.
Why? Based on recent history, 80% of the past coaches in the last 25 years have succeeded here (lets define success as making the NCAA NCAA Tourney and winning at least a game).
If you take out our current coach, 100% of the past coaches in the last 25 years have succeeded here.
So I am sorry, but the facts indicate that your opinion on this matter is wrong. The facts state it would make a difference, and 80% of recent coaches have been successful here.
Times have changed CloneIce. It isn't getting any easier for ISU to be successful in MBB.
If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.
If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.
That's just not true. I know of several posters who hope he fails. One in particular plainly said that he would be cheering for ISU to lose next year, and that's something that I just don't understand.
Whether you love or hate G-Mac, the fact of the matter is that Pollard has made his decision, and Greg is not going anywhere for at least this next year. That's a fact. It's not going to change.
I guess I would rather spend the next year rooting for my favorite team, even though I might not like the coach, than rooting against them, in hopes that their lack of success will force Pollard's hand. To me, that's the whole point of being a fan. When the chips are down, you yell louder, because your favorite team needs to hear you now more than ever. And if the situation doesn't improve next year or the year after, and a change is made, I'm going to yell and cheer for the next guy.
The only hope now is the new coaching hires we have coming can bring some talent with them. Really wish we knew more about the 2nd hire. I know next to nothing about what Nurse has for recruiting connections at this point. He's obviously been doing D-league for 2 years and was in Europe since '96 before that. Which is only relevant if he is even one of them.
I think whoever fills the coaching spots is going to tell us more at this point than who our potential recruits are (if we have any). There's no way we are going with like 11 guys. A couple injuries, grade problems, or Colvin type issues and you're suiting up grad assistants just to scrimmage.
As bad as things seem to be there is no way McD does not have something he's trying to get done right now (even if a long shot). He obviously hasn't gotten anything done at Iowa State but he's not so incompetent that he plans on banking a quarter of our scholarships. If he was you'd think JP would know and will pull the plug .
I know everyone wants to paint the JP and McD situation as so bad they aren't competent, but they are both wanting to succeed and they have to realize the current situation prevents that.
There's got to be something in the works, and if there is I'm not surprised no one knows about it because it seems the staff believes (rightly or wrongly) that message boards are killing recruiting. So with that logic they'll keep everything close to the hip so we won't be able to talk about the merits of the recruits we have.
I think whoever fills the coaching spots is going to tell us more at this point than who our potential recruits are (if we have any). There's no way we are going with like 11 guys. A couple injuries, grade problems, or Colvin type issues and you're suiting up grad assistants just to scrimmage.
As bad as things seem to be there is no way McD does not have something he's trying to get done right now (even if a long shot). He obviously hasn't gotten anything done at Iowa State but he's not so incompetent that he plans on banking a quarter of our scholarships. If he was you'd think JP would know and will pull the plug .
I know everyone wants to paint the JP and McD situation as so bad they aren't competent, but they are both wanting to succeed and they have to realize the current situation prevents that.
There's got to be something in the works, and if there is I'm not surprised no one knows about it because it seems the staff believes (rightly or wrongly) that message boards are killing recruiting. So with that logic they'll keep everything close to the hip so we won't be able to talk about the merits of the recruits we have.
And some people call those who are against GMac the negative ones.
I think that thinking ISU is such a bad place that its fans shouldnt expect what almost every other BCS program has done (and all others have had coaching switches) and be able to make a postseason in a 4 year period is far more negative than anything thats said by those who want GMac fired. If we dont think we can do what every single other BCS team can do, then we might as well fold up our basketball program and tear down hilton.
Okay to contradict the sky is falling and there's nobody out there statements....
There are plenty of quality players out there that could be late qualifiers etc that people have yet to consider - but, if we have schollies and these kids qualify, we can offer....the thought of playing in the big 12 right away or not playing Div. 1 is a very real situation for some of these kids....
Check these kids out....only looking at 3-5 position players right now - i think thats our biggest need for next year.
D.J. Wright #8 Juco Player
D.J. Wright - Yahoo! Sports
Mamadou Seck #11 Juco Player
http://rivals.yahoo.com/jucojunctio...Seck-105296;_ylt=ArwmPXEG7QorZIRwVPQxhFx1WpB4
Jonathan Simmons #19 Juco Jonathan Simmons - Yahoo! Sports
Norvell Arnold #21 Juco
Norvell Arnold - Yahoo! Sports
Devyn Erwin #29 Juco
Devyn Erwin - Yahoo! Sports
Nick Thompson #32 Juco
Nick Thompson - Yahoo! Sports
Being recruited currently by New Mexico and Oklahoma.
Latiq Agard #50 Juco Prospect
Latiq Agard - Yahoo! Sports
Avg 17 pts a game shot 53% penetration is his game.
Antwond Roshell #57 Juco Prospect
Antwond Roshell - Yahoo! Sports
Recruited by Cinci, Penn St, LSU and others. Big 12 body and a consistent rebounder.
Dwight McCombs #60 Juco
Dwight McCombs - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Az St, Auburn, Depaul, indiana and others.
Guy-Marc Michel #66 Juco (7'-1" 265lbs)
Guy-Marc Michel - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Gonzaga and Colorado and others.
Rayshawn Goins #78 Juco (3* Prospect)
Rayshawn Goins - Yahoo! Sports
No major offers, but a big body at 6'-6" and 250 lbs...out of high school recruited by ohio st, cincy, michigan, mich st, NC, and purdue...
How bout this guy...
Delwan Graham #140 Juco list....
Delwan Graham - Yahoo! Sports
Originally signed to LSU out of high school and screwed up - lost his schollie. Went to Chipola and is slated to graduate. But, out of HS he was ranked as the 23 best prospect for PF in the 2008 class. Player Evaluation:
One of the top athletes in his class, especially when it comes to leaping and running in transition. Powerful kid who would excel in up and down style.
Bottom line is guys, as much as we all dislike the situation - its time to make the best of it rather then continuing to hate - our hatred of the situation is not helping at all. Trust me, i could vent and be disgusted as much as anyone else.. There is a ton of talented kids out there still available - especially JUCO kids, we just need to find one-two quality kids ready to contribute day one.....they're out there....
But, when it comes to getting new recruits excited about ISU, read these message boards and they're goin to Middle Tennessee State instead of ISU....
There are plenty of quality players out there that could be late qualifiers etc that people have yet to consider - but, if we have schollies and these kids qualify, we can offer....the thought of playing in the big 12 right away or not playing Div. 1 is a very real situation for some of these kids....
Check these kids out....only looking at 3-5 position players right now - i think thats our biggest need for next year.
D.J. Wright #8 Juco Player
D.J. Wright - Yahoo! Sports
Mamadou Seck #11 Juco Player
http://rivals.yahoo.com/jucojunctio...Seck-105296;_ylt=ArwmPXEG7QorZIRwVPQxhFx1WpB4
Jonathan Simmons #19 Juco Jonathan Simmons - Yahoo! Sports
Norvell Arnold #21 Juco
Norvell Arnold - Yahoo! Sports
Devyn Erwin #29 Juco
Devyn Erwin - Yahoo! Sports
Nick Thompson #32 Juco
Nick Thompson - Yahoo! Sports
Being recruited currently by New Mexico and Oklahoma.
Latiq Agard #50 Juco Prospect
Latiq Agard - Yahoo! Sports
Avg 17 pts a game shot 53% penetration is his game.
Antwond Roshell #57 Juco Prospect
Antwond Roshell - Yahoo! Sports
Recruited by Cinci, Penn St, LSU and others. Big 12 body and a consistent rebounder.
Dwight McCombs #60 Juco
Dwight McCombs - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Az St, Auburn, Depaul, indiana and others.
Guy-Marc Michel #66 Juco (7'-1" 265lbs)
Guy-Marc Michel - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Gonzaga and Colorado and others.
Rayshawn Goins #78 Juco (3* Prospect)
Rayshawn Goins - Yahoo! Sports
No major offers, but a big body at 6'-6" and 250 lbs...out of high school recruited by ohio st, cincy, michigan, mich st, NC, and purdue...
How bout this guy...
Delwan Graham #140 Juco list....
Delwan Graham - Yahoo! Sports
Originally signed to LSU out of high school and screwed up - lost his schollie. Went to Chipola and is slated to graduate. But, out of HS he was ranked as the 23 best prospect for PF in the 2008 class. Player Evaluation:
One of the top athletes in his class, especially when it comes to leaping and running in transition. Powerful kid who would excel in up and down style.
Bottom line is guys, as much as we all dislike the situation - its time to make the best of it rather then continuing to hate - our hatred of the situation is not helping at all. Trust me, i could vent and be disgusted as much as anyone else.. There is a ton of talented kids out there still available - especially JUCO kids, we just need to find one-two quality kids ready to contribute day one.....they're out there....
But, when it comes to getting new recruits excited about ISU, read these message boards and they're goin to Middle Tennessee State instead of ISU....
Who actually wants GMac to fail? We all want him to succeed because that means ISU Basketball is succeeding. However, if you look at the roster (or lack thereof) objectively, you begin to realize that there is NO WAY we can possibly succeed next season.
What's really laughable is the lack of concern by some posters that continue to think that the inability to recruit is nothing to worry about and McDermott should bank those 4 scholarships - at this rate, when McDermott's contract expires, he won't be able to put a team on the floor...
If??
Why do you doubt someone can have success at ISU in short order...the right guy can...and has in the past.
Patience...the ISU faithful have proven they are patient to a fault.
Jeesh!
Amen brother!!!!
That is the ultimate in negativity...not believing ISU should make some sort of postseason in a four year stretch.
I truly admire your optimism and roll up your sleeves and do some research mentality on trying to find something out there for us...I hope are coaches are doing the same.
However, I question if GM either wants to or is able to figure out how to use the attributes that Graham (described above) possesses.
Maybe the strategy is to allow the new coach next year to bring in all the recruits. Won't have to worry about defections if only 3 or 4 players are left at the end of next year.
KMAK_ATTACK look I am with you in that I want ISU & GMac to succeed together. I want the players we have and have signed to be great at ISU. My point is the players we were on that we had established relationships with went elsewhere. I would love it if some of the guys you highlighted signed with ISU. None of them from your post currently list ISU and it is tough to move up the list late. Your point however is valid that we do have something to offer that other schools may not...playing time in BCS conference. The whole point of my post wasn't intended to be sky is falling, but simply these guys are not coming and it is going to get even tougher for GMac to pull it out, but i for one will be pulling for him and supporting ISU BB through all times thick and thin.