Assistant coach rumor I am hearing

[CYlent Bob]

I don't understand why you are so concerned, and Grayer obviously is not. It's his career and legacy, not yours. He is the one with something to lose. Not you. Why do you care so much??

*prepares himself to speak to someone who obviously doesn't have a complete grasp of what's going on around him*

Me like Grayer. Grayer good person. Me remembers Grayer fondly as a Cyclone. Me even ride elevator with Grayer few times, and Grayer always pleasant to me. If me have any say in matter, me want Grayer to succeed as a coach; but me sad if Grayer come to ISU now, because he not succeed here working for Mr. Integrity. Me be sad if Grayer's career suffer because he want to help ISU play more better.

You understand?

 

[Mowilly]

I promise you- every talented HS player in Flint knows who Grayer is as he is working w/ them. The parents of most Iowa kids know who Jeff is. Jeff has played the recruiting game before (not at the high major level) and he would do well IMO. He could be a great fit for this staff.

Nurse is a good basketball mind (and a good guy) but nowhere near a D-1 ready HC. X's and O's are X's and O's but the mess that he coaches is vastly different from Big 12 hoops. Maybe that helps.

What the staff has needed IMO is a hammer and a strokes guy. Greg was neither though he wanted to be more rigid. The capacity to have solid relationships is killing the program. I don't think any of the relationship breakdowns were intentional but they happended nevertheless. Jeff is very good at developing relationships w/ kids.

What I want is for this to work and for us to win

 

[San Francisco Cy]

You might want to reread my original post, Sparky. I said I HATE those people in question, except for Rick Neuheisel, who is just a sleaze who is beneath contempt. I HATE 'em. I'll admit it. The two people I mentioned are scum; HOWEVER, unlike those people in sports I admit to hating, I specifically said I DON'T hate GMac.

You see how it works?

Hate 'em = I hope they get hit by a bus.

Don't hate 'em = I hope they have a good life, but if they're doing an incompetent job coaching at my favorite University, I'd like to see them removed gently.

Am I going too fast for you? Would you prefer more pictures and smaller words?

You said you don't hate Neuheisel, you just hope he loses and loses big. And then you say you don't hate Mac either. Seems like you're kinda connecting the dots there.

I actually would love for you to give pictures to try to make any sense of any of your arguments you have against the hiring of Grayer. What other head coaching experience did Otz or Robinson have? If you want Mac out so bad, why do you care who his assistants are when he goes? And what happens if these assistants help to turn the tide? I just don't get why some people get so worked up about something they ultimately know NOTHING about....

 

[nb06]

I think his official title would be Assistant Coach/Attempting Public Relations Stunt. I think it's clear the reasoning behind this one is "You can't hate Grayer, he was a great Cyclone! Grayer is on the staff, so you can't hate the staff, or you hate Grayer, and thus you hate great cyclones."

Haha this is classic. We could bring in The Mayor, Jeff Hornacek, any number of Cyclone Greats and people would still pi$$ and moan about it. The negativity here is absolutely stunning.

If it's true, we are bringing a good coach, a great person, and a GREAT Cyclone into our program. It wouldn't kill ya to smile about it!

 

[San Francisco Cy]

*prepares himself to speak to someone who obviously doesn't have a complete grasp of what's going on around him*

Me like Grayer. Grayer good person. Me remembers Grayer fondly as a Cyclone. Me even ride elevator with Grayer few times, and Grayer always pleasant to me. If me have any say in matter, me want Grayer to succeed as a coach; but me sad if Grayer come to ISU now, because he not succeed here working for Mr. Integrity. Me be sad if Grayer's career suffer because he want to help ISU play more better.

You understand?

You really don't think Jeff could go back to being a football recruiter if this doesn't work out? Maybe give him a call since you're tight. "hey, uh...yeah, Jeff, it's me. do you...uh...remember that time...uhh...when we road in the elevator 25 years ago? that was awesome..."

I'm going to assume that Jeff Grayer knows a lot more about what's good for him and his career than somebody he road in an elevator with years ago...

 

[Mowilly]

Haha this is classic. We could bring in The Mayor, Jeff Hornacek, any number of Cyclone Greats and people would still pi$$ and moan about it. The negativity here is absolutely stunning.

If it's true, we are bringing a good coach, a great person, and a GREAT Cyclone into our program. It wouldn't kill ya to smile about it!

If TJ did leave, how cool would it be if Horny did come back? That would rock. I don't care if we stink, at least I could get his autograph.

 

[CYlent Bob]

You said you don't hate Neuheisel, you just hope he loses and loses big. And then you say you don't hate Mac either. Seems like you're kinda connecting the dots there.

I actually would love for you to give pictures to try to make any sense of any of your arguments you have against the hiring of Grayer. What other head coaching experience did Otz or Robinson have? If you want Mac out so bad, why do you care who his assistants are when he goes? And what happens if these assistants help to turn the tide? I just don't get why some people get so worked up about something they ultimately know NOTHING about....

No, Sparky, you're connecting the dots. And you're also drawing in some new dots to try and make the picture into something that it never was intended to be. I dislike Neuheisel because he's a sleaze. I dislike the FACT GMac is the head coach of my favorite team because I believe that he's incompetent. That's a far cry from disliking the man.

For God's sake, please READ what I wrote before you come after me. I didn't give arguments about how Grayer would be a bad hire for ISU. I gave arguments about how I dislike the fact that Jeff Grayer is clearly being brought in to the program right now not because he's a good man who loves ISU basketball, but because he'll provide cover for GMac and Pollard with a good portion of the fanbase. I'd love to see Jeff Grayer affiliated with ISU basketball as an assistant, but I want to see the program fumigated before he takes that position to keep him from being infected by the current incompetence.

And did you just namecheck Otz and Robinson? Two assistants working for a failed basketball program? Is that supposed to impress me?

 

[Clonefan32]

Haha this is classic. We could bring in The Mayor, Jeff Hornacek, any number of Cyclone Greats and people would still pi$$ and moan about it. The negativity here is absolutely stunning.

If it's true, we are bringing a good coach, a great person, and a GREAT Cyclone into our program. It wouldn't kill ya to smile about it!

I have no qualms with the hire, but I also see the underlying policy reasons for it.

 

[CYlent Bob]

You really don't think Jeff could go back to being a football recruiter if this doesn't work out? Maybe give him a call since you're tight. "hey, uh...yeah, Jeff, it's me. do you...uh...remember that time...uhh...when we road in the elevator 25 years ago? that was awesome..."

I'm going to assume that Jeff Grayer knows a lot more about what's good for him and his career than somebody he road in an elevator with years ago...

Hey, if he's coming to ISU strictly because he needs a job, then I say hire him. What the hell. If that's what we're all about, then yeah, I'd rather see a former Cyclone great cash those checks than another one of GMac's "handpicked super-geniuses". Silly me, I thought that this was all about winning games.

 

[khaal53]

I was at ISU for Jeff's last couple of years, and I still love the guy. He's a quality man who represents the ISU community with integrity (real integrity, not fake PR integrity).

What bothers me is the OBVIOUS use of this hire to try and quiet deserved criticism of GMac by the non-KoolAid drinkers. "Hey, we've got Grayer on the staff! You can't say anything negative about the GMac or the staff now, because you're slamming Grayer! What kind of a pervert doesn't like Grayer? Probably the same sort who likes to strangle puppies."

I really, really hope this hire works out, but with Jeff's relatively small resume at this point in his career, my opinion is that he's being trotted out as a diversionary tactic, and I for one have too much respect for what Jeff Grayer means to ISU to want to see his legacy tarnished this way.

How is intent obvious? It could very well be a factor, but saying that it is obvious is merely your best guess.

And don't worry, the "kool-aid" drinkers will have you to keep them in check, right?

 

[CYlent Bob]

What the hell. Let's just hire ALL the great former ISU players to come join the staff. Grayer, Jacy Holloway, Michalik, Don Smith, Uthoff, Fallencheck, Horny, and Marc Urquhart could be the team doctor. Let's just turn it into the biggest freakin' oldies tour in college basketball, and forget about even playing games. We can just all gather at Hilton & have a "hey remember when we didn't suck?" lovefest twice a week.

 

[CYlent Bob]

How is intent obvious? It could very well be a factor, but saying that it is obvious is merely your best guess.

And don't worry, the "kool-aid" drinkers will have you to keep them in check, right?

That's a fair question. I would call this obvious for one reason. ISU is in a hole. A deep hole. We need to bring in talented players and we need talented, experienced coaches to help them learn how to work together as a team so that we won't look like deer in the headlights next season. To me, the logical move would be for GMac to hire an experienced coach who has a track record of making things run like clockwork. Instead, we're looking at hiring a great guy who is a beloved former star here at ISU, who has limited experience coaching at any level.

If you use Occam's Razor on this question, I believe that you determine that we're considering this hire because we believe that energizing the fanbase is more important than bringing in a proven assistant to help us win more games next year. I may be wrong, but if I am, it's not because I didn't consider all the facts before I made my guess.

 

[San Francisco Cy]

That's a fair question. I would call this obvious for one reason. ISU is in a hole. A deep hole. We need to bring in talented players and we need talented, experienced coaches to help them learn how to work together as a team so that we won't look like deer in the headlights next season. To me, the logical move would be for GMac to hire an experienced coach who has a track record of making things run like clockwork. Instead, we're looking at hiring a great guy who is a beloved former star here at ISU, who has limited experience coaching at any level.

If you use Occam's Razor on this question, I believe that you determine that we're considering this hire because we believe that energizing the fanbase is more important than bringing in a proven assistant to help us win more games next year. I may be wrong, but if I am, it's not because I didn't consider all the facts before I made my guess.

And a lot of talented, experienced coaches are going to jump on this sinking ship? The fact is that Grayer cares a ton about ISU, is one of the all time greats in this conference, and feels he can help. What could it possibly hurt to bring him in? I'm certain there aren't a ton of qualified applicants beating down Greg's door right now. We have absolutely nothing to lose. And not one single person is going to think any less of the assistant coaches, no matter how this turns out. I still have absolutely NO idea why this is bothering you so much...

 

[Cydkar]

I was at ISU for Jeff's last couple of years, and I still love the guy. He's a quality man who represents the ISU community with integrity (real integrity, not fake PR integrity).

What bothers me is the OBVIOUS use of this hire to try and quiet deserved criticism of GMac by the non-KoolAid drinkers. "Hey, we've got Grayer on the staff! You can't say anything negative about the GMac or the staff now, because you're slamming Grayer! What kind of a pervert doesn't like Grayer? Probably the same sort who likes to strangle puppies."

I really, really hope this hire works out, but with Jeff's relatively small resume at this point in his career, my opinion is that he's being trotted out as a diversionary tactic, and I for one have too much respect for what Jeff Grayer means to ISU to want to see his legacy tarnished this way.

Agree. I'll actually be a bit offended if he's hired. Not at Jeff, of course. It's like ******* off your girlfriend and then coming home with a puppy to smooth things over.

Offended or not, it could work out great and I hope it does. I doubt the results could get worse.

 

[Tpups21]

At this point, there's nothing to lose and everything to gain. :yes:

 

[CarolinaCy]

That's a fair question. I would call this obvious for one reason. ISU is in a hole. A deep hole. We need to bring in talented players and we need talented, experienced coaches to help them learn how to work together as a team so that we won't look like deer in the headlights next season. To me, the logical move would be for GMac to hire an experienced coach who has a track record of making things run like clockwork. Instead, we're looking at hiring a great guy who is a beloved former star here at ISU, who has limited experience coaching at any level.

If you use Occam's Razor on this question, I believe that you determine that we're considering this hire because we believe that energizing the fanbase is more important than bringing in a proven assistant to help us win more games next year. I may be wrong, but if I am, it's not because I didn't consider all the facts before I made my guess.

So if Grayer isn't the guy for ISU, then who is? I see a lot of complaining about why this won't work and is a bad idea all around, but I see no alternatives mentioned.

 

[cybsball20]

Anybody doubting Grayer's recruiting ties and abilities might want to watch the movie Flint Town Kids. The guy is STILL very respected in Michigan and would be able to pull ALOT of talent from there.

 

[Tre4ISU]

He was probably smart enough not to extend Grayer's contract prior to needing to fire him.

I think we all know what Jeff's job was in that program. His job was to be Jeff Grayer and collect $66k a year. A former playground star who made good but was returning home to give back while doing little more than being a name.

I would guess nearly every city in America has a similar position. If he couldn't do that job right, I don't see what makes anyone believe that he could benefit our basketball program.

Do we? Do we all know what his job was there? How the hell can you claim to know what his job duties were?

I don't know if this is a good hire but I don't ignorantly sit here and pretend to know.

Also, RHH, why is it that you only get on here after there is a hire, commitment, or something seemingly good going on in a program? Why is it that every time you come in a start to degrade the hire or the recruit? You do realize that no one really takes you seriously or puts much weight on your opinion right?

 

[RossHallHero]

Pollard definitely screwed us with the extension, but I'm wondering if you even read the article you posted. Jeff's boss was a woman named Gail! I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. It sounds like this woman could have been a real b****.

Flint School District's Mentors Committed to Excellence program continues after district fires well known program manager Jeff Grayer | Flint News - - MLive.com

:biglaugh:

I'm guessing he was allowed to trounce around in sweat pants all day, so there's some give and take in having a woman boss named Gail.

Seriously, though, there's nothing any government entity is going to say about firing someone to the media other than a standard, non-specific line.

He's black, he's a local legend, he was fired.

I'm willing to assume there was just cause or there would've been about 4 lawsuits filed by Grayer.

 

[CycloneYoda]

Hey, if he's coming to ISU strictly because he needs a job, then I say hire him. What the hell. If that's what we're all about, then yeah, I'd rather see a former Cyclone great cash those checks than another one of GMac's "handpicked super-geniuses". Silly me, I thought that this was all about winning games.

Oh give me a break. Since when has there ever been a claim that our assistants were these "super-geniuses" that you speak of? It looks as if the only hand-picked "super-genius" ever to grace the company of our fine coach's company was one Mr. Ben Jacobsen.